City of Brigantine's Personal Meeting Room

Are you guys ready? Sorry, I got
excited.
>> Sorry, I thought John was ready. My bad.
You ready? All right. I'd like to
welcome everybody to our April 15th
Brigade City Council meeting. Please
rise for the flag salute
to the flag of the United States of
America
Remembrance Day, we remember the victims
of the Holocaust and honor their lives.
us. May we never forget the suffering
endured. And may we stand together
against hatred and injustice. Guide us
to be people of compassion, courage, and
peace. In your name we pray. Amen.
Please remain standing. I have a few
moments of silence for some of our
long-term residents who have passed. Uh
Jack Lieberman passed away last week.
Jack was a proud Penn State graduate and
uh he was very involved in various
civic, religious and local organizations
here in Briantine and he was uh most
well known as being the bingo caller for
the senior citizens down at the CER. He
will be very missed
missed greatly by all his bingo players.
uh services will be held on Sunday, May
3rd at the Community Presbyterian Church
and I believe that's at 3:00.
And also just found out today that Norm
Weiner passed a few days ago. He was
born and raised in Atlantic City and has
been a resident of Brigotine for 60
years. Norm was best known for being so
an army veteran having served in Korea
and for being post commander at BFW post
6964
for nine years. He also served many
years on the brigantine planning board.
Norm is survived by his wife Eileene,
his children Barbara, Joe, David, and
Brian, his five grandchildren and his
eight and his five great grandchildren.
Services for Norm will be held on
Saturday, April 25th at St. Andrew's
Church in Atlantic City. Please keep the
Liberman and Weiner families in your
thoughts and prayers.
Thank you. Please be seated.
>> You read the open public meeting
announcement.
Thank you. Tiger, we have an executive
session.
>> Yes, ma'am. We have an executive
session. Uh personnel matter and
litigation update. It's going to be
about 30 minutes.
>> Okay.
>> We have I guess Christine resolution.
>> We have a motion. Second.
All in favor? Any oppos? Say none.
Motion pass. We'll be back probably
about 30 minutes.
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>> All in favor?
>> Any opposed? All right, seeing none,
motion pass, we're going to resume our
meeting. George, you summarize.
>> Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Um we had two
items of discussion. One was litigation
update and the second was a personnel
manner. Proper rice notice was provided
for that. No action is requested.
Thank you. All right. We need our
approval of our April 1st, 2026 council
meeting minutes. We have a motion.
Second.
>> I'll make that motion.
>> Second.
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, can
we have roll call?
>> Yes.
Mayor Sarah. Yes.
>> Our approval of our bill requisition
list. We have a motion to second.
>> We'll make that motion.
>> Second. Questions or comments? Seeing
none, can we have roll call?
>> Yes.
>> Sarah,
>> yes.
>> All right. Next up, we have public
comment. This is public comment on
agenda items only.
Saying no public comment, we're going to
close the public portion. Uh, next up we
have
ordinance number six of 2026. Uh, this
is a public hearing and adoption. This
is an ordinance amending chapter 105
beaches and recreational areas of the
revised general ordinance of the city of
Brigantine. We have a motion second.
>> Second.
>> All right. This time we'll open it up
for public comment. Anybody wishing to
be heard, please come up and state your
name and address for the record.
Seeing no public comment, we're going to
close the public portion. Any council
comments?
Seeing none, we have roll call.
>> Yes.
>> Sarah,
>> yes.
>> We have uh ordinance number seven of
2026. This is an ordinance vacating a
portion of the city property adjacent to
block 1701, lot 7. We have a motion.
Second.
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, can
we have roll call?
>> Yes. Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Resolution 2026-108.
This is a resolution authorizing a
property tax exemption for a permanently
disabled veteran. This is block 4303,
lot 47. Motion second.
>> Second.
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, we
have roll call.
>> Yes.
Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Sarah,
>> yes.
>> Resolution 2026-109.
This is a resolution authorizing a
contract with Zylm Water Solutions USA,
Inc. for Field Service at 34th Street
South Jenkins uh flood pumps. This is
the amount of $9,168.
A motion. Second.
>> I'll make that motion.
>> Second.
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, can
we have roll call?
Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Resolution 2026-110.
This is a resolution authorizing a
contract with Atlantic Coastal Alarm
Inc. for the Brigintine Library Elevator
fire alarm replacement in the amount of
$9,300.
Motion second.
>> Second. Questions or comments? Seeing
none, can we have roll call?
>> Yes.
Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Sarah,
>> yes.
>> Resolution 2026-11,
resolution authorizing the city manager
to sign and execute any documents
necessary for the replacement of
bulkhead located within the 14th Street
South right ofway. The motion second.
>> I'll make that motion. Second.
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none, can
we have roll call?
>> Yes.
Sir.
>> Yes.
>> Next up, we have our consent agenda. We
have the Brigantine Elks Drug Awareness
5K, the Surf and Land Sports Tournament,
36 Street Fishing Tournament, Lions Club
Classic Car Show, the uh D Firecracker
5K. I was like, D firecracker. He said,
uh, the Elks raffle license number 1150.
We have a motion. Second motion.
>> Second.
>> Questions or comments? Seeing none,
profile.
>> Yes.
>> Council manager committee discussions.
>> Uh, nothing. Mayor,
sorry. Department.
Sorry. Steve's looking at me.
>> All right. Deputy mayor.
>> All right. I'm just looking forward to
opening day of baseball parade on
Saturday morning starting at 9:00 a.m.
here by the fire department, I believe
it is. Come on out and cheer on our
kids. There are going to be quite a few
games going on at after the parade
arrives down at uh at 26th Street. And
uh Saturday, April 25th is the cherry
cherry blossom festival weekend.
Hopefully our cherry blossoms will be in
full bloom that weekend. John, have you
ordered that?
>> Okay, good.
I just want to let everybody know if you
purchase tickets for the cherry blossom
tea, which is from 2 to 4:00 that
afternoon, the 25th, that there has been
a change of venue. It is the
Presbyterian church was double booked.
So, the tea is now going to be at the
BFW. It's always a lovely afternoon.
That's it.
>> Sure.
>> That's Thank you, mayor. Uh just had a
recently on Monday, we had a record
board meeting. It was nice to see John
there John Doring and also Tiger
was excellent.
on a number of subjects
and uh along the lines of recreation as
Karen mentioned the baseball parade
which is always a great event for the
kids and just it's really wonderful
baseball and softball excuse me Mike and
I both being former VPs uh we're always
into it and uh the boys and girls this
summer it's a great kickoff event for
them the children really love it the
parents love it so come on out if you
can
and just one last thing I got my Flyers
jersey on here. I mean, we don't have,
unfortunately, we don't have our own
Brit team hockey league going, but uh we
get out there and patronize our local
establishments,
bars, restaurants, grab a bite to eat.
Playoff hockey is on its way. We haven't
had it for about six years here in the
region, so our Flyers are in the
playoffs, so get out there and support
them. Everybody have a great spring.
Enjoy the point weather. Thank you.
I'll see everyone Saturday morning
hopefully for the uh raid. We support
local
charities on the islands.
All kinds of things going on, new
events.
Also, the beach commission meeting we're
targeting week of May 18th. All invited
to attend
message that will be getting out time.
Just want to get that out.
>> Thanks, Mayor. Just want to thank
everybody for coming out tonight. Also
want to thank our veterans for uh what
you do. See couple good ones
and uh everybody else who volunteers for
different committees garden club and
everything else that makes our island so
wonderful. I mean that's what it's all
about. Other than that the cultural arts
commission has a big day coming up on
April 25th
uh at the cove have Frank Sinatra Frank
Sinatra uh act
It's going to be a great time. Starts
around four o'clock. It's $45. So, if
you're free that day, get down and check
it out. Coach Lars Commission's been
dealing with some good things about uh
our 250th anniversary of the country,
July 4th weekend, and also the 100th
anniversary of the city
after Labor Day. So, we're working on
that.
Other than that, if there's any problems
or anything, want to give me a call. You
know where to find me? My numbers on the
front page of the team times. Um,
you got that tiger.
>> Now you're on the prompt, huh?
>> All right. And as always, I want to
thank John Doring for the wonderful job
he does. So, thanks. That's all I got.
Hi, guys. Question two. Any update on
recstruction?
I think they're supposed to start
around.
>> Yes. Uh I believe the schedule that I
just got, I think within like the next
10 days, they're going to start uh
paving, getting everything done. The
schedule does have them completing just
before Memorial Day. Um there was a
concern. We did receive a uh an email
from a resident was concerned that if we
weren't going to be done by Memorial Day
that we should just push it off to the
fall. Um but we have uh I've talked to
our engineer who has talked to the
contractor pending weather and if it's
beautiful weather between now and then
everything will be great. Any delays
they uh are aware that over the Memorial
Day weekend that the area has to be
completely clear and by that point in
the project it will be repaved and
everything. There may just be some minor
work going on. But they do know for that
weekend everything needs to be removed
from that area. So barring any major
weather delays, we should have that
whole area redone before they
said they're looking to start in the
next 10 days.
>> Yeah, I think uh I think it was like the
27th or the 24th or something like that.
They were they were scheduled to start.
Ed just gave me the uh the update the
other day. I think it was right around
there next week or two.
Want to give everybody an update. Uh
we've been, I guess, working with South
Jersey Gas to find out what's going on
with uh the delivery fees, the rider
rates, and why things are so high. Um
had reached out to him. We've gone back
and forth. I requested more information
and working with Senator Palestine on
this. I had a representative, I guess,
from higher up at South Jersey Gas has
now reached out to me and, uh, she let
me know that they are working to gather
the information, but she wants to, I
guess, either have a phone conference or
meet with me to discuss the questions
I've asked. So, um, I'll be reaching out
to her to set up that meeting, see
what's going on. I spoke with Senator
Paulina's office to let him know as
well. And, uh, he said just to keep him
posted, um, on the meeting. So, we'll
keep everybody updated and uh hopefully
we'll have some answers for everyone
soon.
Another thing I wanted to make council
aware of and this is some people from
the area. So, it's uh good timing. Uh
there was an issue that came up at the
uh last planning board meeting where
some of the neighbors had talked about
uh some flooding issues and some I guess
trash
uh surrounding the old rotten real
property. We had our uh superintendent
of public works and our city engineer go
down and take a look at it. I think the
two issues of concern were flooding was
the um a gap between the gabian wall and
the existing bulkhead. Um both went down
and looked at it. Uh the gabian wall and
bulkhead are buted up to each other
about as close as possible. But the
problem with the gabian walls, if you
guys are unfamiliar, but they're
basically rocks in a cage. So for the
city, we would have rather have had a
bulkhead there. It would have made the
island more watertight. uh the D and
CFRA I'm gonna say CAFRA wanted to make
sure that it was a gabian wall there. So
it does allow some seepage but our
engineer is going to look at what steps
we can take to try to plug that up a
little bit more. Also too there was a
concern that the uh outfall pipe there
was clogged. I know the public works is
going to take the jetack truck down
there to kind of flush it through to see
if there's any issues there. We're also
looking at putting the check valves that
come duck bills with the little steels
on the end of the pipe that'll help stop
water from coming through. And also for
the street end, uh we're looking we've
done this in some of the other areas
where to clean them up, we've done some
curbing and sidewalk. So this way it's
not just a bulkhead into the street. So
we're looking at doing that as well. So
I want to keep people updated on that.
You guys know that we're moving forward
on that. I'll also be sending an email
out to the residents in that area. I do
uh have an email list with some of the
groups that are there. So, just to kind
of make you guys aware of that issue
that came up.
At this time, we'll open it up. We'll
have public comment. Anybody wishing to
be heard, please come up and state your
name and address for the record. Yes,
John.
>> John Johnson, 36 Coil Beach Drive. Uh my
own personal update is Route 24
doing the inspection of the water lines.
Happy to report this week they did my
personal water line and it was copper
from the street to the valve and then
copper to my house. So for me, hooray.
My other comment is coming here and
seeing our lobby and city hall going
under demolition and renovation and new
finishes tonight to walk in and see cool
modern furniture. So now we're looking
real first class. Thanks for everything.
>> Awesome. Thank you,
Brooks.
>> Thank you. I have a hand out if I may.
Thank you for this opportunity to
present a few concerns I have for the
council specific to the rod and reel
site. So these issues are council
related issues because they dealt with
action this board took. Uh the first one
is on the 14th street north was vacated
to the property owner of the rod and
reel site and again that property uh is
bordered by of course steelman's bay and
to the north at one forc wildlife
reserve one of the most valuable
properties in Brigantine was it the
council's intent to vacate and give him
that entire street
that's one question next question when
the council vacated the street there's a
storm water that been talked about.
Thank you, Mayor and John During. Uh
outlet fall that goes through that
property. It actually goes underneath of
the Gabian wall that was installed north
of 14th Street. It protects that site
and that property. So my question is,
was there an easement uh or a way for
the city to maintain that storm water
inlet system which floods so we can't
get to our homes and 14th Street is
effectively blocked through the vacated
street that is now part of the rod and
reel site. How's that to be maintained
and who does that? Um and again the uh
concern about the rod and real estate
with the import dirty dirt. We've talked
about it for decades uh for sorry last
five or six years. You've had copies of
the video and of the photographs that we
have of that. The concern is that that
site now drains back to Beach Avenue
between 13th and 14th Street North. and
Beach Avenue uh drains towards 14th
Street North and that adds to the
flooding as a contributing factor.
There's nothing to control the siller
sand wash off from that site back to the
thing because the site was filled. So
again, the concern is can we have and
you suggested perhaps curbs and
sidewalks. I would think that would be
part of the redevelopment plan. Um when
I talked about the curve and sidewalk
that was in the street end some of the
residents who came in and you might not
have spoken about this but a couple of
the residents who came in I think from
Stillman's Worth Yeah. said that the
street end I believe on 13th Street was
dirty and there were some issues. So
part of what we were looking put in
curving and sidewalk to help clean that
up.
>> Okay. So that that would be that side of
the property
>> on 13th Street North but the south side
of that you're saying on their side
>> on the south side of their property.
>> Okay. And and again appreciate that. Um
other question for council again um the
access due to the public trust doctrine.
I've talked about the public trust
doctrine, giving you copies of the
public trust doctrine, including recent
litigation in New Jersey and other
states about public views and access.
14th Street is one way north, very
important highway because it's the end
of the Ocean Drive highway from Cape May
to Brigantine. Thank God. That's why we
have the atm forsight 50,000 acre
wildlife preserve doesn't bridge over to
seven bridge road uh out towards the
Ruckers University station. So the the
the question is again this council is
responsible for public views and access
to Steelman's Bay. The property owner
promised that he would provide 14th
Street access to Steelman's Bay. It's
not included on the approved site plan
uh for the first hearing that the
planning board had. There was a question
about it. Mr. Lati thought that perhaps
that was for the driveway. If they were
going to put a garage, but putting a
garage on Steelman's Bay and the north
end of the property would be putting a
garage where the best view in Brigantine
is one of them. Uh so again my question
is uh with regard to that issue the the
public trust doctrine issue will this
council enforce the public trust
doctrine and then have the rod and real
site comply with that 20 foot setback
which is also part of the north end
redevelopment plan. This council in 2017
offered uh advice on the redevelopment
plan. They hired a professional. In
2021, this council adopted that plan. In
that plan, it defines corner lots as any
lot that has two street frontages. So,
that would be 14th Street North, Beach
Avenue, and 13th Street North. Those two
lots are corner lots and should have a
20- foot setback. There is no mention,
as there is in the standard zoning laws,
of a secondary front yard setback of 15
ft.
The planning board approved a
non-compliant plan based on false
testimony and mistaken professionals uh
advice from the professional planner.
I'm asking again enforce the public
trust doctrine as a council and the uh
redevelopment plan that this council
approved.
That concludes my statements. I hope you
will consider that. I'll be back at the
final reading that starts the clock on
the 45day period for any uh concerns
regarding redevelopment of that site in
accordance with the North End
redevelopment plan. So there's a time
clock associated with that which would
be very unfortunate if it went that far.
I'm hoping with relationships in town
you can work it out and have that
applicant comply. Thank you for hearing
me out. Questions? Now, one of the
things I guess that's your thoughts, but
I do before we have our next speaker,
one of the things I want to address is
my understanding is with the complaint
about the dirty dirt that because I
noticed with the planning board, you had
said that the city technically didn't
reply to you, but my understanding is
that the city referred you to the county
who oversees it. When the county did an
investigation on it, they found that
there was no issue with the dirt. So,
that that doesn't have anything to do
with the city. That would be a county
issue because they oversee that
>> when it comes to the building permit.
>> When it comes to the access when it
comes to the access.
>> So when it comes to the access um you
talk about public access that falls
under CFRA and the plan that the
developer has there was actually
approved by the state of New Jersey. So
that's not something that we control
before the developer came back to the
planning board. This is something we
often do is some of these developments
is we have them go to the state. They
have to get their state approvals and
get all their whatever they need from
them before they can come back. So the
access plan that they have in place is
what was actually approved by the state
of New Jersey. Um
and I know some of the things you had
brought up with the setbacks and I know
your letter because I did read your
letter uh with the pools and the decks
and things like that. Um, our planning
board professionals, our attorney, our
master plan, and our planning board
engineer have all said when you brought
these issues up at the planning board
that this development as it is and came
forward, there's no variances that are
there and that it fits in with both the
master plan as well as um the north end
redevelopment plan. So, I know that
you're saying that it's under false
testimony.
>> Yes.
>> But in essence, you're saying that our
professionals that work for the board
lie to the board and lie to the city.
>> Yes, I am saying that you were given
false testimony by the applicant and the
professional planner made a mistake. And
I'm asking this council because I just
gave it to you. It's highlighted. It
says corner lots on page seven, last
paragraph. You could open it up and look
right now. Doesn't take a professional
planner, registered architect,
professional engineer
>> address by our professionals.
>> It's in the packet I gave to Vince. Just
take a minute and read it. Says corner
lots and then on the next page it's
highlighted says 20 ft. There's no
allowance for secondary or less than 20
feet.
>> I think another section that says so I'm
so Brooks I'm not
>> I'm not disagreeing with
>> it would be inappropriate for this
council. I I have a question for you. I
I'm gonna ask you a question. One
second. Give me one second. What I want
to say, Brooks, is I'm not questioning
what you're saying, and I think our
attorney is going to get to this. One of
the things I want you to understand is I
don't know that this council has the
authority to overturn planning board
decisions. And that's what I want to be
really clear about. And I'm pretty sure
that's what you're about to tell me. So,
we are willing to listen. And I want to
say that these issues were brought up.
our professionals on the planning board
addressed that. The planning board voted
on it. One of the things you alluded to
was the 45day window. So, I would tell
you is that probably the appropriate
action this point forward. If you think
that the professionals didn't do their
job and didn't tell the truth or that
the applicant lied, that there is a
formal appeal process and I would
recommend that you go through the formal
appeal process. We do not have the
authority to overturn their decisions.
So that's why I said like the issues
that were brought up with flooding, the
gabian wall, issues that were brought up
with the outfall pipe. These are all
things we said at the core that we will
we will take care of. If it's an issue
with the developer, we're going to have
them do the work. If it's an issue with
the city, we're going to move to work.
We'll take care of that. But we don't
have the authority to overturn their
decision. And that's and it's not that
we're trying to turn the blind eye. It's
not that we're trying to dissuade you.
And you're all welcome to speak and
speak your peace. But I want you to
understand that there is a formal
process for that and I would recommend
that you take it through that formal
process.
>> And you understand that's litigation and
superior court of New Jersey.
>> I understand that that's litigation, but
I'm telling you that the city council
does not have the authority to overturn
a planning court decision.
>> That's why we have a separate planning
board that makes those decisions. It's
why we have professionals that are
assigned to that planning board. And and
again, I'm asking I think there was a
mistake made. I think there was false
testimony given. I'm asking you to talk
to the applicant after you read the
documents and perhaps let them resubmit
a compliant plan. That's what I'm
asking. I will tell you out of respect
for you, I can present it to the
applicant,
>> but if the applicant says no, and that's
one of the things I want to make sure
you were aware of because you mentioned
the 45day window. I want to make sure
that you and the neighbors understand
that from the date of the planning next
week's planning board meeting there'll
be a resolution and from either the date
of the resolution or the date I think it
has to be published whichever comes
second there's a 45day window on which
you can take action and I want to make
sure that you understand that you have a
legal path forward but this council
doesn't have the authority to do that
>> and that would be unfortunate for
>> it it would but that's that may be the
direction of the applicant. So the
applicant has made changes the I know
that they can have a 40% lot coverage.
The lock coverage is at 25%. One of the
things I look at is the houses are
spaced out and talk about views. If you
condense the houses in closer together,
you're actually going to obstruct more
of the views from the people across from
the property. That's why I say think
about it for the um
make sure that when you move it forward
that you understand the pieces of it and
you understand that your rights move
forward and that's what I want to let
you know the council doesn't have the
authority. I can bring it to the
developer but we have no ability to make
that developer do anything beyond what
was approved. Once the planning board
made a decision, we can move forward.
>> But if it's based on a mistake perhaps,
>> so if it's based on a mistake, then you
and the neighbors would need to take
that up
process and demonstrate that there's
been a mistake there. So I just want to
make sure that you fully understand your
rights and you don't miss any time.
That's all.
>> I appreciate that. Again,
I'm not here with council tonight
>> and I try to avoid that at all cost. I
understand your suggestion. That is the
next step.
>> Thanks
to anybody else, Brooks, too. I mean, I
just had one minor point to add. Um,
reading one of your emails, I just gone
back a few weeks and you mentioned again
speaking just now regarding push and
drive and it going down to the north
end. And I used to ride that my bike
many years ago, more so the south end,
but you know over the Stone Harbor
Bridge and work my way up. Uh it to the
best of my knowledge, it always ended in
Atlantic City in the Pacific Atlantic
Avenue right abid
right there. Uh and I kind of looked
into it a little bit more. I didn't
couldn't find some official entity for
Ocean Drive, but uh everything I found
still indicates that it ends in LA city,
not Bri. So it's not a big deal. Just a
just a notation. I just want to remind
you we're still in the public comment
period.
>> Appreciate
Nancy Pino 2214 Street North. Um
okay so I understand thank you for
explaining and and extrapolating that.
Um, I just wanted also to be clear that
the north end redevelopment plan, um,
he, you specifically asked Lance, uh,
did it have the corner lot set back and
he said no. And we were holding up a
copy of it and we were saying, "Yeah, it
did." And then afterwards he said to
Brooks, "Oh, he made a mistake." So, it
was approved again with whatever. So,
okay, if we have to litigate that with a
judge, then that's fine. But, it really
is a safety concern. the drains um the
drainage of into 14th Street North. I
came to council August 18th, 2021 when I
heard about the street vacation and I
was worried about the public access, but
I was also really concerned about the
street flooding and the street floods so
much we can't get out when it rains.
It's not just tidal water. It's both
when it rains and that. In fact, I told
council people were cutting across the
pump house yard and my yard and coming
out my driveway to avoid the water. Uh
Paul had suggested we build a fence and
um as it was we planted a tree and that
stopped that. Now the water because they
raised the part of Beach Avenue by the
Rod and Reel lot now it floods even
further down 14th Street North. So it
actually blocks my driveway. So when
it's heavy rain, I have a million
pictures of this if you want to see. Uh
if it's heavy rain, I can't get out of
my driveway without going through
flooding. Sometimes the flooding in a
big storm gets like knee deep. I mean
it's serious flooding. So, it's a safety
concern. I think it's more than just a
blocked out flow fall valve kind of
thing. I think it needs a bigger fix
than that. Um, and also now the city has
added a car wash to the mix. So, the
city has put um hoses, which is a great
idea, and people are coming off the
beach and everybody's washing their car.
We get at least 10 to 12 cars big wash a
day. So, that water, I have pictures,
that water runs from the hose down to
that drain. So even if it's not raining
outside, it's flooded there a little
bit. I mean, it's a small amount. We've
got a lot of water in that area and not
a lot of drainage. So it concerns me
that a minor subdivision is being
approved as if it has a street that has
adequate drainage, and there really is
not adequate drainage in that street.
Um, so I just would urge city council to
look into doing something about it
because it it really is a problem. It's
a safety hazard. So,
I just I don't know that, you know, now
you're going to add lawns and water and
everything and that's going to both flow
down into that drain. So, if the drain
is owned by the residents of that that
house, like how do we get them to clean
out the street? Who's responsible for
that? Um, could we put a drain by the
car wash or something? Because it's it's
coming I have pictures. It comes all the
way down, flows down to the end and into
that drain.
So, I'm really concerned about that uh
as safety and also the mosquitoes
because it'll flood and pull the water
and it becomes like a a mosquito
breeding ground in the summer coming up.
Um so anyway, that's that's one of my
biggest concerns and I have here from my
notes that I came in 2021 talking about
that I've sent various emails so I have
established that this is an ongoing
problem. This isn't something that just
happened. uh at one point you cut out a
swale kind of thing and that helped for
a little bit but I think the problem is
more than that. So I would just
appreciate if you continue to fix this
problem.
>> We will we will address the the flooding
down there and we're we're starting to
work on that now and that's why we had
our superintendent and our uh city
engineer to go down and start to come up
with some ideas. So we'll start with the
simp simplest solutions first and
continue to escalate. In some areas,
we've had to do full street
reconstructions because the water's not
flowing right. In some areas, we've had
to look at new drainage.
>> So, that that is something we we'll
continue to work through that problem.
>> Okay. I I fear that's what needs to be
done here. And especially, I just want
you to be aware of the car wash problem
because multiple cars and it's flooded
all day long now. So, you know, and a
lot of sand coming in, that's adding a
whole other mix to the No, thank Okay.
Thank you.
Dr. Excuse me, Dr. Michael Coast, 2081
15th Street North. I've got very little
to add. The only concern I have is when
I've talked to members is that the
flooding is caused by tidal flow. That's
not exactly accurate. Obviously flooding
is exa is made worse by tidal flow when
high tide. But the picture I have was
made on 8:31 2021
which was an hour within low tide. So
what's happening is
when the there's a heavy rainfall you
get 18 inches of flood water on on beach
at 14th irrespective of where the tide
is.
>> You said your picture is from 2021. Yes,
I I have them. Uh
>> I the only reason I ask is and I don't
doubt any of the flooding. I actually
went down there during Hurricane Aaron
because we had lots of flooding and I
saw that there was some water in in the
gutters, but it wasn't like deep. So, I
understand it may be from heavy rain,
but I didn't know if you had any more
recent pictures than 2021.
>> That was the only one I had uh that I
made.
>> Nancy, if you could email those to me.
If you have pictures, just email them to
me. So I can take a look at it.
>> Yeah.
>> In fact, just want to bring up real
quick. He posted something on Facebook
about, "Oh, it doesn't real." And my
neighbor responded, "Oh, wait. You just
go to 14th Street North. It's flooded
here at the corner." And I said, "I
don't think so." She called me. I have a
picture from that day. There was
actually
I have pictures from that day, too.
>> But you had seen it because the rail lot
didn't flood. It's all only at the
intersection. 14th Street North going
down.
So, it's higher because they dumped all
the dirt and then they um raised the
elevation of the street. So, all of that
goes right to the
>> Yeah, I'll look at that because I do
have pictures from the intersection
during Hurricane Aaron. And I had put
that it was a major improvement. it it
was an improvement from what it used to
be because like you're saying in 2021
and I don't know when the gabian was put
in and that's that's what I that's how I
want you to some of your pictures so I
can get a better idea of what that
flooding is because when I went down
there and took pictures maybe I missed
it but I took pictures of the
intersection there and maybe I just
missed it because I have pictures of
13th Street
>> so if you could send them to me that
would be really helpful.
>> We have lots of pictures.
>> All right, perfect. Thank you.
>> So do you need pictures with time
stamps? No. Yes.
>> Well, just I if you have anything more
current than 2021. It was almost 5 years
ago, but anything because what we want
to get a look at is an accurate picture
of where it's pooling up because even
our city engineer said, "I saw it on a
nice day. I'm going to go down during a
storm, during rain." So, if we know
where to go look, then we can start to
put together a better picture of how to
address it because really the flooding
needs to be addressed.
>> Right.
>> Okay.
>> Absolutely.
>> This is 18 inches without without it
wasn't raining. It was low tide. It had
been raining very heavily because of
Storm Henry.
>> Yes.
>> In 2021, but it wasn't raining at the
time. So, this was poor drainage. Okay.
>> Due to whatever.
>> All right. Perfect.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. And like I said, just Nancy, if
you send me this,
>> this is just this here. Yeah. How do I
>> Yeah.
>> How do I send this to you? Just your
email.
>> Email it. email that to my city email
address so I can give it to our
superintendent and our city engineer and
then we can start to use that to develop
the plan.
>> Okay,
>> that'd be really helpful. Thank you.
>> There's no other public comment. All
right, we're going to close the public
portion. Any final council comments?
Question.
I've lived on 13th Street North since
1970.
That was always a flooded area,
especially between 12 and 13.
Are there any sewers there or culberts?
Because the water runs down 13th Street.
It just puddles at the end in front, you
know, not even in front of the the lot
that we're talking about. It would would
puddle there. And where does it go?
the plug buster there. I remember it in
the past. I haven't seen it lately, but
in years past, they would come take that
manhole cover off and pump out whatever
is in the middle of the street there.
But there's really no sewer head except
for that one that they talk about on
14th Street that's covered with with
rock
by
cleaning it out. And I'm not an
engineer. If the 6 in pipe isn't big
enough or I don't
So yeah, we'll do the check that
>> seems like the water that runs down from
14
gets
puddled up there before it gets into
that drain. the only drain. That's where
problem is. Not so much with the tide
backing up. That's another that's an
additional problem. But I think just a
normal rain will flood that corner
because I have to make that corner going
home because I have to make my left on
14th and then left on 13th Street. And
they're right about the fact that it's
always
water.
>> Last two pages have storm water inlets
identified. So they're ready.
And Paul, just so you know, we've had
this issue on a few other streets and
we've had to do full reconstructions,
curving, gutter, everything to get the
water flow. The problem is is brigantine
is very low and some of the streets we
only have about an inch or two of rise
and fall. So, it's hard to make the
water run. After Hurricane Sandy, it
actually packed everything down and
we've lost some of that like run from
the water. This may be a street that
needs a full reconstruction to get it to
go, but putting the check
that's
>> that might be the issue. I remember the
issue of 14 street left it up to the
builder to reconstruct 14
reconstru
but it's running down to that inlet
but yes we may it may take
>> yeah I just wanted to update you uh
found the email that Ed sent me. So,
this coming Monday, the 20th, the
homeowners will be notified of the work
that's going to begin. And then on the
27th, we'll start doing the concrete
curbs and gutters and start working all
that stuff on Harbor Beach. Yeah. 27th.
>> 27th. Yeah. The homeowner should get
notified next week.
>> Okay.
>> Other council comments.
All right. Seeing none, we have a motion
and second to
>> adjurnn.
Second.
>> All in favor? I.
>> Any oppos? Seeing none. Motion pass.
Thank you guys for coming out and
watching your council team at work.
>> Thank you.
That's it.
God.
like July 4th pretty much got that under
control.
Appreciate your phone.
First
I'm sorry.
Welcome to
Chase.
text.
>> No,
he's good.
That's what I said. That's what it is.
Yeah.
Check.
where we need that
parallel beach. They just did it.
So
perfect.