Township Committee Meeting May 28, 2024

sure we're going to call this meeting to
order this is the bunavista township
regular meeting May 28
2024 start with a roll call Mr krenzer
here Mr Renard here Mrs Testa here Mr
Williams here mayor rer
here on January 9th 2024 notice of this
meeting was mailed to the Daily Journal
the press and duy posted in the main
lobby of the municipal complex all
requirements of the open public meetings
act have been met in compliance with the
Sunshine Law I'd like to ask everyone to
rise to salute the
flag John lead
us I pledge allegiance to the flag of
the United States of America and to the
Republic for which it stands one nation
under God indivisible with liberty and
justice for
all for me
yeah so guys if we can all keep standing
please I appreciate
it got a couple people in the crowd here
we'll wait for them to stand up um I'd
like to take a moment of silence um for
the passing of Gordon Lee Payne retired
Navy 1974 to
1976 and past um Department Commander
state of New Jersey Disabled American
Veterans uh lee was a big part of our
community and uh for those that you uh
knew him he was a a great individual um
and always giving back to the community
and always helping and never asking for
anything so he passed on uh on uh
Saturday morning suddenly so moment of
silence
please thank you
[Music]
number five is approval of the minutes
for the workshop meeting May 13
2024 need a motion and a second motion
second roll
call krener yes Renard yes
Tesa yes I think were you here for that
one oh no I was not here at that meeting
I'll put you for abstain Williams yes
and rer yes
number six announcements presentations
and discussions um this evening for our
regular meeting I have listed um a
potential for 2024 Municipal Road
program that I wanted to bring up to the
governing body for a quick discussion um
after speaking with our Township
engineer and speaking with our auditor
um it's it's possibly time for us to be
able to um identify roads for our
Municipal Road program um I was able to
also identify and work out some
potential funding um for this that would
not require us to go out for bonding um
to the purpose of debt to the open
market um we have some significant
Capital that we actually have cash on
hand that we would be able to borrow
from ourselves and pay back to ourselves
at zero interest um so if we were to do
that um I can't give specifics as far as
dollar amounts um because we would have
potential bidding to happen but the
areas we are looking for improvement
would be Country Club which would
include the area from Route 40 to
Lorraine Avenue at the recommendation of
the township engineer um we also have
um uh Cumberland Road which would need
some striping that would be required as
well as some potential guide rails and a
small portion on the do side which would
not be part of this Municipal Road
program but for a do Grant this year um
to apply for would also be for Post Road
from sicking Bridge coming off a scking
bridge in order to do improvements at
that area um it would require some
significant drainage um improvements to
occur occur as well as raising of the
road um even though it's a small portion
on Post Road the significant amount of
drainage that would be needed would
basically take up a full phase uh
several 100,000s in that area to be able
to improve that section um of Post Road
so it'll go from the bridge to where um
so it would actually be sicking it's
it's roughly about 300 ft if that um of
a portion of Post Road but in order to
do the Improvement the road would have
to be raised drainage would have to be
put in underneath the road is actually
technically underwater even though you
don't visibly see water um right below
it is to the black
top so in order to do the Improvement
where it doesn't blow out the asphalt in
order to do it we would have to raise
the road and put some drainage in that
area um so that would be under the do
portion not under this Municipal Road
program but um based upon some Engineers
review and estimates at a minimum we
would be looking somewhere between 600
and
$750,000 um again that amount would be
barred from our Capital we would be
looking to roughly pay it back over a
10-year period And I will have more
defined numbers depending on the total
amount we opt to
borrow um but at a minimum if we borrow
600,000 and pay it back within 10 years
it's roughly 75 cents of a tax rate per
on that first initial year would be
raised we could pay back roughly about
$448,000 per
year and that would be interest free
because we don't pay ourselves some
interest so
nor would we have to put down a down
payment because we're not going out to
an open
market or pay lowers or pay low well we
would have to pay Bond counsel to do the
bond so we would still have to
technically do a bond ordinance but we
wouldn't be putting that bond out to
open market um we would still have to do
a bond ordinance for the capital
Improvement um and then we would come up
with a payment plan that would be raised
in the budget each year um if we came up
with that plan and say we opted for 20
25 to pay back 50,000 but we wanted to
pay back 75,000 the year after we can
adjust our payments as long as we make a
minimum amount over the first three
years for what the law requires when you
borrow against yourself so um the
auditor was very confident to indicate
that um at this point with our budget uh
we've been doing extremely well and that
we would be able to front that coming
out of our Capital great for that period
of time um in order for me to proceed I
wanted to just bring it up for full
discussion to get um governing body um
consensus I don't need a vote or
anything but at least a consensus if you
would like to for me and the engineer to
move forward with Bond counsel um and
our auditor to come up with some more
finite numbers so that way we know
roughly what we're going to borrow um if
we happen to borrow and I'll throw out a
number say 750,000 we go out to bid for
all these projects and we only need
600,000 we can cancel the balance and
the only amount that we would actually
owe back is the total amount after we
bid everything
out so it's a fluctuating we might go
out for a little bit more knowing that
we can cancel uh the balance so that way
we don't have to continue to do Bond
ordinances so um once I get some final
numbers it might be up in the 750
knowing that we might cancel okay so I
think some of these roads haven't been
touched in 20 or 30 years and I think
we've been fortunate to get as far as we
have
on some of this infrastructure um so I
think that this again is kind of Golden
Gate Bridge methodology where we kind of
are back to the beginning of where we
started and I some of these roadways 20
or 25 years ago yeah and and 10 years is
a conservative um payback plan we can be
more aggressive we can you know make it
seven years we can make it eight years
um like I said as long as we have that
minimum depending on the total amount
that we borrow within the first 3 years
that we pay back after that we could
pretty much set our schedule um so we
could be aggressive or we can relax a
year if we need to relax a year so um
and that would help us in the budget as
well once that money is raised it's
raised because that'll be a a Debt
Service per se but paying back to our
Capital cash I'm glad to hear it because
some of them more it's over 25
years so dot is funding the Post Road
Project it sounds um that would be our
application for this year um it would be
in line probably probably hopefully
before we have to do old Landis um I'll
talk to the engineer but we have to make
the application for them to approve it
once they approve it we'll get a dollar
amount and then he'll be able to
identify how much in that first phase we
might or might not be able to do so it's
it's all going to be up to how much the
do ask for and then we're doing inside
bonding for Country Club and Cumberland
uh Country Club and Carin that is
correct yep
so if committee would like for me to
proceed with that um it'll probably take
about a month or so pleas um and then
once we're ready I'll have a bond
ordinance on we'll have to do an
introduction a hearing um and then we'll
work out the uh bid specifications to go
out I think as long as we get some
numbers on this I'm good with it but you
know we obviously want to see numbers
before anything
so good with me fine by me I think it's
great John Kurt yeah yes okay okay I
will move forward thank you very
much um number seven mayor's report uh a
few things I want to share with you guys
tonight uh one our community yard sale
big thank you to everybody uh took place
May 11th we had over 50 vendors
participate uh second year uh second
year of very positive turnout so I think
this is something we're going to
continue with uh so thank you one and
all that were were part of that event um
continuing on the the the footing of
gratitude uh big thank you to all of our
fire departments that came out yesterday
uh veterans residents that were all part
of yesterday's Memorial Day service
thank you to John armado who delivered
our Kino uh we had over 60 attendees for
this event the biggest we've had in
several years so uh there's no reason
why the entire front of this building
shouldn't be filled if there if we do
100 events a year uh this should Far and
Away exceed from an attendance stand
Point anything we do uh these men and
women locally and abroad that have
served uh this region and our nation uh
deserve an an hour of everyone's time in
in the front of this building every
Memorial Day so thank you to one and all
that were part of that event yesterday
uh quick reminder summer concerts start
in two weeks June 19th uh and we're
going to be starting off with Lonnie
Young Blood um every Wednesday night
from 7:00 to 9: with dinner starting at
600 Michael Debbie Park so please make
note the fun gets underway June
19th uh and then lastly due to uh
extremely low vendor participation we
are going to cancel our food truck event
that was to take place in June that's on
the township Facebook already we'll
continue to communicate that but uh
please join us for our car show July 6th
at Michael Debbie Park from 9:00 to 2 uh
but the food truck event we are going to
forego this year and that's all I have
tonight for my report thank
you thank you mayor ordinances for
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9624 is authorizing the pay payment of
bills in the amount of 2,
85,3
7166 of that the Atlanta County tax is
858,507
2017 and the school board tax for the
month is $935,000
96 consent agenda includes items of
business which are not controversial and
do not require individual discussion a
motion approving the consent agenda is
moved seconded and voted upon as one
item by the township Comm committee if
any discussion is requested on a consent
agenda item it is removed from the
consent agenda to the regular agenda
9724 is authorizing the issuance of
Street opening permits to South Jersey
Gas 998-2457
and distribution licenses for the
licensing term of 2024 to
2025 we need a motion in a second to
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motion to open to the public second all
in favor I all
right motion to close motion to close
second second all in favor I I uh motion
and a second to pay the bills motion to
pay the
bills second roll call krenzer yes
Renard yes Tesa yes Williams yes rer
yes uh motion and a second to adopt
consent agenda resolutions 97 through
100 motion to adopt 97 through
100-4 second roll
call krenzer yes Renard yes Tesa yes
Williams yes reri
yes item 13 Township administrators
report what do you have for us Lisa um I
really do not have much I think I um you
covered pretty much everything uh you
mentioned the car show the summer
concerts um the blood drive is available
to register already for October I don't
have the date off the top of my head but
we do have our blood drive um that will
be happening here in October so go on
our website uh the flyer is on there as
well as for the sign up for the sponsor
code for that so please feel free to go
on our website for that but I think
other than that we're pretty pretty
solid thank you thank thank you thank
you Lisa uh item 14 committee reports
we're going to start with Deputy Mayor
Ellen Testo well I'd like to mention
that yesterday our Memorial Day service
was
outstanding um and it is always a solemn
event and uh we should always remember
that this is really for those who made
the ultimate sacrifice for our
country and they should be honored and I
agree with the mayor that I would love
to see more people even though we did
have a larger crowd
yesterday it could always stand to be
larger because of the respect these
people should be
shown so I wanted to say that and um
very sorry about the um food truck
festival as Lisa had told me a lot of
people had uh conflicts with the
schedule and that's why they had it back
out and uh it's really sh because I
thought last year's Festival was
wonderful and I thought it was
successful so it's a shame that uh this
year has had to be cancelled very
disappointed but I am looking forward to
the car show to the concerts and to
their great success and to the National
Night Out um I've had some people uh
email me complaining that we don't do a
Fourth of July anymore and how
disappointed and this has been going on
now for a long time but every other
surround and Community does have
something and but nobody does the
National Night Out like buav Vista
Township and I want to get that across
to the public you know we have
unbelievable fireworks we have um
displays uh the uh State Police do a
show that they do nowhere else if I'm
correct fire companies and the fire
companies so I wish the people that were
disappointed that we don't do Fourth of
July anymore would show up for National
Night Out cuz they will definitely not
be
disappointed and that's my report and
I'm going to piggy back on on the deputy
mayor's comments I we we made that
decision three or four years ago um to
not compete with with a dozen other
municipalities and do fireworks you know
at the same time on the same night to
spread it out so at least if you have a
family and you want to see fireworks
more than once during the course of the
Season you know Fourth of July weekend
you can go anywhere else locally and see
them and then see them for a second time
in August at our National Night Out
event so um that's the format that we
committed to I I think from a turnout
standpoint it's been a great event the
last several years we've done it so
that's the formula we're going to stick
with but uh I just I wanted to piggy
back on that I'm glad you did because
you have no idea when people get into it
uh concerning the 4th of July they
really are very emphatic and they're
very emotional about it and don't want
to see that this is an alternative and
actually some in my opinion something
better at another time yeah so I'm glad
you said something thank
you uh commit Manar and krenzer yeah
thank you mayor just uh a couple things
uh Public Works definitely busy um you
know grass does not stop growing so they
continue to to mow a lot uh fill in
potholes all kinds of Park in Township
Property Maintenance Michael W park
playground upgrades um cutting roadside
grass roadside cutbacks with a boom arm
keeping everything out of the road and
we got a couple new guys on our team and
girls on our team and there's been a lot
of training going on both on equipment
and in the office uh everything is going
great and they're they're doing
wonderful getting um you know uh in the
town uh getting to know the town the
areas and having a great time with the
team from what I understand so
everything's good there and sprinkler
sprinkler repairs so you know um rain is
uh has been a little bit non-existent
here and there so we're uh we're trying
to get some uh some sprinkler repairs
done which is good um also you know last
year we had about 300 cars for the car
show so I'm hoping to to beat that
record um this year if you have any
questions reach out to Lisa myself you
know we we've all been working very hard
on this show um getting trophies Awards
um getting you know it out to all the
local clubs and everything you know new
cars old cars whatever you have bring it
out if it's cool so we want to see it so
10 bucks a car you can uh sign up the
day of and or you can you can send in um
any of the registration to uh special
events here so that's all I have mayor
thank you
committee man Kurt rard what do you have
tonight okay I just have two two
comments to make uh regarding two
holidays the Memorial Day holiday even
though it was a a decent turnout it was
nothing like it should have been I mean
the weather was the the rain evidently
we had rain all around us but we didn't
have any rain for the
ceremony I I thought there was going to
be a lot more people but then again I
think that every year this is this is a
pretty important holiday it is you know
this isn't a fun holiday this is meming
people that died for us you know I and I
just feel bad that it's not as big as it
used to be Memorial Day used to be a
tremendous holiday you know and
Piggyback in on that I'm one of those
people that feel even though I know why
used do it I miss July 4th being on July
4th and I and I know about the National
Night Out and everything but I still I
still kind of like have my heart on July
4th and I know the reasons why
but I'm I'm just a traditionalist I
guess I feel like I mean fireworks made
the July 4th event and we we can't
afford to do them twice and really just
for us for our our national night to
stand out I mean we we definitely we
bolster it with fireworks so uh we try
to put all our eggs in that one basket
that
night but but uh but yeah I mean this is
something every every fall we go back to
the drawing board as we look ahead with
special events and we really do kind of
take the feedback whether it's start
times whether it's days of the week that
these events take place we really do
factor and turn out the feedback that we
get from the public so you know this is
nothing that we do is ever etched in
stone um so let's let's see how this
year does let's see what feedback we get
and we'll end up back at the drawing
board as we're coming up with next
year's Playbook
John what do you have for us tonight um
I wanted to mention the uh Memorial Day
uh celebration too also where we uh paid
homage to uh Gordon Lee Payne with the
disabled American veterans did a uh
presentation the letter they they uh
they read which he uh he had done and I
thought that was very nice that we did
that and it Gordon was uh much appre
appreciated in this Township and he was
a a good good friend of the township and
also to everybody everybody in here
everybody here remembers
him and um I also attended the uh
Municipal officials
uh meeting earlier in the month and
there we uh got information on the uh
seniors for the uh uh buar that people
could uh join him and uh I gave the uh
calendar to uh leis and I believe she
was going to put that on the website um
also I attended the uh Watershed
ambassador's uh presentation for the
environmental commission which was on
that at Penny poot stream on Saturday
May 18th um she
um Kirsten she looked for a lot of uh
insects and things in the uh in the
stream and it was uh the weather wasn't
real great but yeah we we we pulled it
off and then the kids were able to look
at them under the microscope right yeah
they were allowed to they had to
actually uh bottled samples of the uh of
the different insects yeah in the what
what should be there what shouldn't okay
exactly that's what she
did and let's
see that's about all I have
thanks thank you John item 15 public
comment uh mayor if I can before that um
I just want to do um just a little
expansive on the playground upgrades
that we are actually doing throughout
the parks um so one of the the main
playground updates that we're doing is
at Michael Debbie Park and that was
completely through Recreation Grant
through the state of New Jersey um that
included brand new bleachers um to get
rid of the older aluminum bleachers that
were four tiers high that would require
modification to be done with them um we
will be able to um put them up for sale
to be able to recoup some of that money
back for some of the older bleachers um
but we will have brand new bleachers not
only in Michael Debbie Park but
throughout all of our Parks um also at
wildor hindes at Quigley Park um so any
place as well as at the Aldo um football
field so any places in which we had
bleachers uh we will be replacing those
as well um we also did some playground
mulch and some playground borders as
well to go with the swings and um the uh
slide set that is there at Michael
Debbie Park and all that is made
possible through a recreation Grant um
that we applied for a couple years ago
um we're hoping for some future um uh as
well grants to happen so we can update
the Michael Debbie Park um hockey Court
as well that is in need of some repairs
as well as some upgrades with maybe a
new playing surface um I haven't heard
anything on that Grant but um you know
please know that I am aggressive in
trying to get some grants to be able to
offset any expenditures or debt that the
township has occurred previously um and
try to get a lot of these needed
improvements for the community done
through grants um we need all the
ammunition we can get to fight the video
game Monster to get these
kids out of the house what's crazy is
there's there's all kinds of different
you know funds and grants and things
like that out there in the state or in
the the actual town or County and unless
you're looking for them and know exactly
what what to do and how to apply for
them I mean it takes time so goes to you
so thank you for for doing that I mean
we we all have some wild ideas that we
throw at you and a lot of times you make
them happy and no cost to taxpayers or
the township so thank you well I
appreciate that they're they're not easy
to apply for there are a lot of
restrictions and stipulations and um a
lot of them require pages of commentary
and and reasons to go with it um so you
know they're the things that I like to
do is the township administrator those
type of things so um it's great to get
back into the groove of of some of that
um spash pad Splash Pad could happen you
never know we've been throwing at that
that at you for a little while now so
the water issu the ground the water um
one of the other modifications that we
also did for some of the events coming
into this year and that was also off of
some feedback and and things that we
received was to do our first ever um
Halloween trunk r Treat which will
happen also at Michael Debbie Park which
will also include a haunted walk um
throughout the park so um we're kind of
excited to start planning for that we've
uh sent out hundreds of applications to
all of our businesses um all the
businesses that participate with our
calendar as well to see um it's free for
any business to sign up uh we are not
charging anything this is um all of our
Halloween events have always been free
um and sponsored by special events
through donations so any business can
come they can you know display a trunk
and provide any type of um Candy to the
kids or what we also call sensory toys
for um if it's any type of program that
doesn't give out any type of candy we
look for any type of sensory toys or
anything of that nature um to hand out
as well and then they can promote their
business that evening so um we're trying
to get the word out as well we will
accept donations that was part of it
we'll be more than happy to accept any
monetary donations for any businesses
that are not able to participate but
would like to help offset some of the
costs and decorations but all that will
be funded through special events as well
so we have some great things that are
happening some modifications of events
um so we we will see how our haunted
walk and Trunk or Treat goes this year
so as we venture into our extremely busy
season yes but thank you very much mayor
sorry I didn't mean to deviate I just
wanted to update everybody on
that uh 15 public comment the committee
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organizations and individuals during
regular caucus workshop and special
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all we are
open how you do tonight Charles Allen
guils at 7:37 Bain now I'm sure you know
this is about
zead when I first came here in November
and brought this to your attention I
thought that I was bringing this to your
attention to maybe slow this down and
not have this get created as where it's
gotten to and by everything that I know
that he has done that he's supposedly
not allowed to do has angered me and my
mother and it's gotten to the point
where I got out of hand and I even
believe he got out of hand between just
between personally between me and him we
wrot it down and I talked to him and my
real concern is first of all the land
that he's own and we've lived there 44
years he's we've always were told that
nobody can do nothing with that land and
I know he went there on his own without
doing anything the land
but I feel as
though everything that is really
bothering me that that I see that is in
my face is everything that he's not
allowed to do by the code book of univa
Township with the buses right on my
property line the pigs the chickens the
Ducks is right on the property line
everything that I have talked about
about what he has there is everything is
within 50 ft of our property line we
have 1 Point 17 Acres he has
8.29 Acres but everything that he has
that we've told you about is all within
50 ft of our property line that is
really what is totally destroyed my life
it's it's too much uh along with not
picking on the man because he's not
exactly like I am but we're all
different I understand that um I just
think that there there there could have
been something more done uh when I talk
to him you know I I don't know if he
tells me the truth or not but he's
nobody he tells me nobody has told him
he has to remove everything off of that
land now I received a letter I believe
you've seen a letter at Leisa uh from
Pine commissioner he's supposed to be
you know write him a letter and giving
him ex what he's going to do is plan and
all he does the opposite all right uh
but I'm I don't want to pick on him
anymore uh because God knows I may have
to live there with him the rest of my
life I don't I don't see anything
happening uh the code enforcement
officer I didn't realize it at the time
when I came in November but I guess uh
Rick was retiring at that time and then
so you were in transition I I guess
between here you know between him and
then somebody knew and now I realize you
you merged with hamton okay so but uh
that's that's the whole point U if it
was if it was any if it was any one of
you and this was right next to your
house like you know Point Blank you
would you would have to stop it and do
something and I think all the code the
code enforcement book everything I read
everything he's done that is bothering
me is is in that book that he shouldn't
be doing this is like this is really all
we talk about every single
week I really do appreciate we we've
brought him to court multiple times he's
failed to appear multiple times he now
has active bench warrants or failure to
appear uh neither of our local policing
agencies um have taken it upon
themselves to act on those bench
warrants that's as far as we can go
right uh basically gotten this 98% of
where it needs to be and that there
really isn't the willingness to knock on
his door and act on the warrants we we
have done everything in our absolute
power to to be able to you know serve
him the appropriate paperwork legally to
send him any any paperwork to discuss
you know internally to discuss with all
of our our um zoning officers and and
anybody I mean we feel for you and I
think your sister continues to bring
pictures I we get emails weekly from
from your family updating us giving us
updates and Lisa does a good job the on
that mostly involved right do everything
no no and and I think Lisa you've been
communicating back to her and giving her
updates on what's going on and how how
things are proceeding you know both at
the township and and county level yeah
the last response I had was her email
she sent during the day I wasn't able to
respond during the day but I responded
at 10:30 at night by the time I had a
chance to kind of sit back on my couch
and read through my emails and responded
at 10:30 at night to her um you know I I
just I'm stuck I don't know how much
more to do um you know I appreciate the
mayor leaning very heavily on our law
enforcement agencies um to try to
continue and further this to get him
picked up once he gets picked up then
that will you know force him to show up
the court if he gets picked up and
doesn't show up the court the next time
it'll probably be held until Court um
you know but there's something I don't
understand if there's anything I would
say is please call the police and say
pick him up I just said that that's the
mayor said that's this The Next Step
that has to occur and we've done the
township has done everything to get to
that juncture and now it's it's on to
the next level as Lisa said in order to
gain compliance okay the first thing we
need to do is actually get him in front
of a judge to hear these matters and and
then uh lead to what you're talking
about which is want to play that game
I've talked to him a little bit in the
last four days he has had at this point
he's had three active warrants for the
last two weeks okay now you you've told
me over and over when I've been here
about calling State Police the last time
I called them wasn't this past Fray it
was the Friday before that I called them
at 6:07 they never came out 9:30 I went
to bed they never came out they're tired
of it they're sick and tired of it
they're they're not coming out unless
there's something dead on serious I
think everything that I've ever called
about is serious but they're not taking
Ser that's in Ence kind of the same
response that we got as it related to
the warrants of of you know from a
resource standpoint and from a a
priority standpoint you know you in
essence kind of why why go there and
pick him up because you know he'll be
out in an hour you know and what that
accomplish type thing just because it's
you know you know with with bale you
know it would be their guess was that
you know he could bond out you know with
with with you know 10% and and would be
back home in an hour and a half cuz
they're not they're not picking you up
on WS CU When I called that night the
the the whoever I talked to when I
called the state police I don't call 911
I just call know directly um he was he
was very ignorant to me first of all but
I told him that he had warrants and it
didn't matter and then last week when Mr
D called the police on me when they came
out they came to me and talked to me and
I told the officer that he had warrants
and nothing was done at at that point
either which I don't even understand
that um but anyway the Board of Health
allows him to transport his sewer to the
campground but he's transporting it in a
trailer on our our roads around here
with no registration and a vehicle with
no registration and he drives the truck
not his wife with no driver's license I
spoke to them and I suggest I told in
the situation their answer to to me was
well at least we know where he's dumping
it well that's fine for the Board of
Health but that's not fine for I believe
any of us here anybody in the township
any one of us could be going down the
road that that could whatever could
happen I mean you we know it's a lot of
if land and buts but still I don't see I
don't understand it uh it's uh and some
of you guys I know I look at your bioses
like you know you're in the outdoors of
Sportsman U this guy's destroying I know
it might be only a little tiny piece to
all of you but it's it was like it
wasn't my little tiny piece but it was
right next to my little tiny house in my
acre well it makes it impossible for us
to to do anything else anywhere else
because obviously it's you know
everything reverts back to this you know
why are you allowing this to happen it
kind of forces your hand in in the
entire rest of BBT because if we can't
act here with the state police the
sheriff's department the Board of Health
d uh you know Child Services uh Pine
lands you know 15 agencies are involved
we can't force action any any kind of
significant action then then what what
needs to be done at this point I mean
this is so over and above that's why I'm
asking what do we we are contacting
these agencies weekly like hey what's
the update what's going on you know
things bill and I both are calling State
Police are calling the sheriff's
department looking for updates you know
hey this guy so upset the last time when
they didn't come out the next time they
came out when he when Mr dere called
them on me I was I got I I was UNC contr
control I was controlling myself for the
first 15 minutes and after a while I
just lost it and I was at the Verge
where I was going to be the one wind up
getting locked up because I'm trying to
express myself and I start doing this
and you can't do that you know and they
tell you to calm down and all and then I
have I got to just walk away from it uh
I'm not calling no more I told Mr D that
right now I'm only concerned about where
is affecting me because of how close you
are which he can't move because he he
doesn't have a survey he don't know
really where his property line in and
it's only the the area that he moved in
on is the area that I cut all the time
so so he had a nice lawn all when he
showed up there that's why he's right
there instead of moving back in but I
just felt like all the all the code
violations that I see that are affecting
me I don't understand why it wasn't
written up for any of them like because
if there would be a list of them there
livestock how many there are how close
they are the pigs the fence the amount
of chickens we're up to we're at 50
chickens well he was written up for all
that I mean he he was served paperwork
on all that stuff these are the warrants
that he's not showing take him back to
court appearances that he doesn't show
up for the the township is not agreeing
to allow these things to happen the
township is taking action as as Lisa has
said and if you recount it on each and
every area of this and as the mayor said
involving every enforcement agency uh
that there is and and you're your ident
it is a frustrating process when
someone's evading uh the courts um
there's an ultimate outcome uh and we
have to keep pursuing it and as as the
mayor and and the administrator said
it's something we deal with on a on a
routine it's something we talk about and
and update each other about on a regular
basis I'm glad to hear that cuz I really
was hoping that you this is like this is
all we all we've discussed every 36
hours for the last 120 days so I I don't
want you to think that this is is Fallen
by the wayside I feel that way I don't
see nothing both us and you are
literally just at the mercy of time the
the way that this has to play out it's
got to be like the initial appearance
and then the initial failure to appear
and then the subsequent failure to
appear and it's just unfortunately is
like these two 3 we intervals of court
date failure to appear and then you know
the rhetoric goes up a little bit more
but we're probably still 8 to 10
iterations from this being significant
enough you know for
again for for possibly them to knock on
his door for possibly for them to lock
him up for possibly for him to be home
in an hour and then we're kind of again
back to I would suggest for future
issues like this here was something that
doesn't allow to get to this well the
problem is and to address what the
mayor's saying is I do we understand
that we really do and we appreciate your
concern the the courts which we don't
have control over that they have been
fundamentally altered in the last five
to seven years um they were
intentionally altered the when the
mayor's talking about bonding out that
entire process was revamped um 10 eight
or 10 years ago and the oper of
municipal courts and the ability to hold
people so to speak pending Trials of
this Nature has been eliminated years
ago you didn't do something like you
weren't defiant because you didn't want
to go to County Jail behind a right code
violation nobody but now it's become
much more difficult from an enfor
enforcement uh standpoint the the courts
uh got more backlog during Co I know
it's an old excuse a lot of them went to
uh audio video appearances not even
bringing people into court um so it's
not that our hands are tied they're
they're just our efforts are slowed and
and it does affect it has a real world
effect um these decisions that are made
at the state level and unfortunately we
and you are sharing the outcome of some
of those decisions and again I think the
first thing I said to Lisa tonight when
when when we got caught up was what's
the status and and we're we're we're
looking for as the mayor said the next
the next shoe to drop to take it to the
next to the next step but but it is it
is frustratingly slow and and it has
become more so over the most recent
years and there's there's nothing we can
do physically all of our moves are
administrative and at this point this
guy has been you know completely on
phase by anything administrative and we
have to listen to what our solicitors
just because he knows the legalities of
the situation right and he's 100%
correct the courts move in Reverse at
this point it's as slow as slow can be
and it makes it even more frustrating to
get anything done because it seems like
it never does get there no when I notice
like something goes down or I know he's
like is like he a warrant or that it
seems like when he gets that he goes the
total opposite way instead of like stop
he like he does you this weekend he has
his tractor delivered with a brush hog
attachment a bucket attachment and a
augur attachment all delivered their on
the property he did sell one of the
buses the yellow bus that he got rid of
he sold that um but he sold that 11:30
at night started it up and had it run
for 45 minutes after midnight and I
called the state police that night and
when they got out they didn't see the
bus pulled away they didn't see the bus
12:30 at midnight on the highway uh but
they don't go looking for it they didn't
pass it on their way to the place but
that's really all I appreciate
everything you doing I understand it's
it's a long process but I just got to
let you know I don't want to just not
come and tell you I want you to realize
that it's that I didn't forget about it
and it's still bothering us realize none
of us have forgotten about it either but
due to the legal system there's only so
much that can be done and it's done in a
timely fashion whether right we think
it's right or not right
oh I I thought when I came here before
he even got here we'd stop him before he
even got started so yeah I'm like you
know well last time he got way way
farther than I ever expected oh
absolutely last time you were here or
your sister was here we actually went
out and drove by you know and sat there
looking at it trying to figure some
things out if we had it our way our
Public Works and us would be out there
with our our back ho and stuff moving it
out I mean that's just we're like why
told 150 years back you know if back in
in time I says I would have stood there
with a shotgun and you would have never
ever set up there oh even though it's
your land you would have had to get back
there like you would have had to get
back there and then and then do your
thing I wouldn't care but be you're
right there that's an issue but sir
please I'm sorry this is happening I can
only imagine what you and your family
are going through it's not but but we're
you know you're part of our community we
feel it we understand what's going on
and every day we're working on it so
please understand that we appreciate
your patience thank you sir you're fine
you're fine no worries
anybody else for public
comment jie Scott M hour Drive
Cumberland Cur
run um I see you have on the agenda
about cumin road which I've been crying
for quite a while to get this done uh I
travel the road quite often and I my
neighbors do and they've been
complaining because there's no lines on
the road people coming this way and
we're coming that way I've been run he
almost took my paint the other night off
my car that's how close he was to my car
and I pulled over as far as I could but
I'm on the grass because I can't see
there's no white line there so I'm up on
the grass and was impossible to try to
get to keep the car on control you know
what I mean this has happened numerous
times to me and some of my neighbors
they don't there's no line in the middle
they don't know where they belong and
it's very very dangerous I mean we've
been trying to get this done for quite a
while I've been there 16 years and I've
been trying to get this just done
because it it's scary it really is scary
because when they come that close to you
I mean you where you going to go You'
got over here but you when you do get to
there you can't there's no weight line
so you're up on top of the grass for the
uh you know the golf course and it's
yeah everyone driving the roads watching
the golfers play not paying attention
well no this is even at night time you
can't even see the lines they're so
faded okay yeah and of course there's a
couple potholes near Oak Road and that
that road gets a lot of traffic I sat
there one day watching from Oak Road to
Route 40 how many cars cut through both
ways so it does get a lot of traffic
they think it's a farm rout but it's
really not it's a cut through and um
it's it's really dangerous and like I
had told Lisa this down here by the golf
course there's a stream yes okay uh I'm
coming this way one night and it was
almost dark and this guy's coming there
he got too close to me I went to pull
over I happen to see that thing that
quick I almost went in that Pond there
it really needs a guard rail around that
pond it's very very dangerous because at
night time you can't see that that's
there and if you're happen to come
somebody coming down there and the guy
coming this way it gets too close to her
they get over this way they're going to
go in there and that's a that's really
quite deep there and I think it really
needs something I don't know if it's
their responsibility or your
responsibility I don't know but I would
like to see something kind of guard rail
around that let people know that that's
there you you know what I mean is that
something we could act on or is that a
request we would make to the county um
no it's our road and that's going to be
part of the road program that on there
that's what I was assuming it was right
yeah something that would give you
protection if to go over there you know
you're not going to go in that water and
I know because this happened to me in
Pennsylvania and then a deer ran out in
front of me and I pulled over get and I
went right in the ditch cuz there's no
no railing there nothing to tell me that
the ditch was there okay nothing guard
rail or nothing I right in there I had
to have a tow TR come and get me out
because that's how deep I went in there
so this kind of scares me this this
little Pond over there do you have Lisa
I know um obviously the Post Road thing
is a little more involved as is a
country club um but this if the pieces
were to fall in the place you have like
a best guess is this something that we
could conceivably have done in like the
next 60 to 90 days uh we would have to
still bond that would all be part of the
bond um we do have a preliminary quote
but it was higher than anticipated so we
would have to bid that out to restripe
from restriping in the guide rail yes
okay do we know how many linear feet of
guard rail we're talking about um uh not
the guard rail no um the road and itself
both ways I think was like 1,000 for the
paint yeah like 1,800 something okay for
for linear feet for the actual Paving
there's not a ton of guard rail there no
you know it's it's enough but it's no it
probably is probably about five slots
probably about five slots each side
they're in 10 ft sections probably so
yeah probably not even that much okay
without the lines on that road it's espe
it's dangerous I mean really really
dangerous people don't realize because
you drive on it we drive on it all the
time right you know and I mean people
younger than me have been complaining
about it also so it's not just because
of me doing it you know there's a lot of
people complaining about that road I
said well I'm working on it try to get
something done to it that's the road I
used to take my tractor to the gas
station yeah well there was there's only
one one little one field there that the
guy comes over there the rest all houses
so it's just a one field so it's really
not a p Ro because my friend Liv she
lives over that way I mean she lives
over on Route rout 40 and she goes over
Oak Road all time she goes to shop right
so she says I know a lot of cars travel
that back and forth I said yeah instead
of going all the way down to Lincoln
they go that way you know so without the
lines on there yeah it's really scary
and these weight lines and yes it does
and other little sparkly things you put
down the middle of the road somebody
reflectors I don't think can see because
they're that of their Dreaming or
whatever they're doing
tiid yeah well everybody's on their
phones these days everybody's on their
phones these days not paying attention
so they can't see the line because the
line's so faded I told before give me a
pay I pick the line myself I don't care
I mean I didn't know that was I didn't
know that was an option we could have
this project knocked out in a few days
that's right I don't mind one bit I got
the time you got the pain I got time you
got that right thank you for you know
you you have our word we're on it it's
on The Hit List you know I'll sleep
better tonight good my neighbors glad to
hear it thank you so much have a great
night thank you thank
you all right I'm going to ask for a
motion in a second to close to the
public motion second all in favor all
right item 16 uh we do not have an
executive session this evening a motion
and a second to adjourn motion to
adjourn I just want to mention one thing
good uh the uh mentoring men's barbecue
is on Saturday June 8th from 1:00 to
3:00 p.m. at the MLK Center at 661
Jackson Road Newtonville and um Quinton
wanted to invite as many fathers and men
as he could
for
okay thanks John a motion and a second
to adjourn motion to adjourn second all
in favor I I thank you
guys that