5/26/26 SustainableEHC Meeting

Okay.
Yes.
Mhm.
Okay. All right. Great. All right. I'm
Galloway for anybody who's out there and
um chair of the green team and we called
this meeting to share information
about the uh incorporate city urban heat
island mitigation plan. Um Tyler here
from Dell Atlantic uh conservation
district uh prepared the original
assessment heat island assessment and it
was accepted by the city council uh in
February. Was it February? And um this
is a followup to that and it takes the
assessment and turns it into a kind of
like an action plan to mitigate some of
those heat islands that were identified
in around town.
Uh we sent invitations to um
certain people on the avenue uh because
Philadelphia Avenue has identified it as
as a hot spot. We sent it to the uh Egg
Harbor Yachts uh building uh owner, Dr.
Aachi. We sent it to um the owner of the
um Harbor Plaza Shopping Center, which
is also identified. And we sent it to
the city's public schools. So, I did get
a couple responses from the schools that
they would not be able to attend.
So, u they're they're what was
identified. So, as you can see, it's
great team here and we have our new
member. I'm calling you a member of
Brendan
Bergus online with Jerry and uh
so
>> here is uh Tyler to talk about what he
found out.
>> All right. Well, uh, thank you everybody
for having me. Um, I will run through a
little bit of the assessment just for
some context and then we'll go into the,
uh, the, um, you know, mitigation
strategy
that that we'll talk about for each one.
So, um, just again for those who don't
know me and for the recording and
everything, my name is Tyler Savage. I
am the forestry technician um, for the
Atlantic Soil Conservation District. Um
I help out with a lot of community
forestry projects as well as help out
with private forestry um projects and
also forestry adjacent projects uh like
this. Um so u let's go ahead and get
started. Um so again a little bit of a
background and that just kind of went
over this. Um but I
I wanted to again give a little context
for um to begin we had our heat island
assessment which was done in July of
2025 and it was accepted u in February
by the council. Um this was done in
partnership with the Atlantic soil
conservation district using guidance
from uh sustainable Jersey.
Um so sustainable Jersey has an action
plan that is related to heat island uh
heat islands. It is the heat island
assessment and mitigation plan action.
Um and this addresses um this kind of
issue
that is a mixture of kind of public
health and and climate change. Um so you
know a harbor city is of course um
concerned about um you know uh tackling
this sustainability issue um and by
assessing and identifying heat islands
and then and then um addressing them uh
then you know you make your community
more resilient to climate uh related
events such as extreme heat. Um so uh
engagement is really important. That's
why part of this uh mitigation plan is
to
engage um with the public. So um at
least we have you know we have you folks
here and we have you know the recording
so if people want to come back and watch
the presentation they can um and give
feedback. Um so heat island um for those
who um don't know what heat island is um
it's essentially a hotter more developed
area within a city. Um and um a lot of
factors can contribute to these heat
islands. Um it can be lack of
vegetation, it can be city structure,
infrastructure, um human activity,
things like that
that can that can generate these these
hotter um temperatures. um they tend to
uh disproportionately affect vulnerable
um communities. So this can be um you
know younger children, um older adults,
outside workers, unhoused people, um
things of that nature. Um and you know
when temperatures rise uh we do see
these really extreme kind of effects of
that. Um you know we have more demand
for electricity, we have potentials for
blackouts, we have increase in fossil
fuel um emissions, greenhouse gas
emissions.
And um and this kind of catchup effect
that takes place um and even storm water
runoff um you know is affected as well
um because it can heat up and and cause
issues as it as it goes into our
waterways.
Um so in terms of uh methodology and how
we did this um so uh you know it's
important that for the mitigation plan
and the heat island assessment um that
this is data driven. Um so we use GIS
software to compile all of this data
from many different sources whether it
was D
or even um you know E Harbor City's uh
Davy tree pre-resource group inventory
data um we compiled all this um
geographical data and put it into one
map to kind of do our uh you know work
here. Um so in terms of identifying um
hotspots uh so for the sake of precision
when trying to target um sites and come
up with mitigation strategies um we came
up with these kind of definitions here.
So um a heat island um is again these uh
this kind of warmer area. uh they tend
to be larger geographical
areas and we use the term hotspot um to
to identify specific site locations
within a heat island. So what that might
look like is a cluster of hot spots
being a heat island. Um and again we use
our land surface temperature data from
summer 2022. That's how we did that, but
we'll go a little bit more into that.
Um, so this is just an overview of those
three heat islands um that were uh
identified in the heat island assessment
report um and their uh hotspots which
are
um lettered and again those heat
islands aren't numbered. Um so that's
what that looks like there. Um and again
this is not an exhaustive list of of
hotspots. um additional hotspots may be
able to be identified within a cover
city, but the goal of this list is to
come up with our most prominent hotspots
um and work from there. Um so I'm going
to go over just um a few brief maps from
the heat island assessment. These can
all be found in that report. Um but I
just want to give you guys a visual aid
of what we're talking about here. So um
this is the heat
island um map and the hotspots. Um so
you can see the land surface temperature
those more orange um and red areas are
where it gets hotter. Again those u
letters are where those hot spots are
and the numbers are each of those heat
islands. Um just for some context I
believe this is about uh these really
dark spots are about 117 to 123 or
something like that degrees Fahrenheit
for land surface temperature. Um and the
uh high average temperature during
summer of 22 uh air temperature was
about um 86
degrees. So just seeing that difference
in the land surface temperature versus
that kind of air temperature and what
that what these heat islands can really
do. Um so the next thing I want to show
here is the um overurning community map.
Um so uh this is um so the the 2018 to
2022 social vulnerability index was
taken for each of these hotspots. Um
it's on a scale between zero and one um
and it is 089 for actually all of these
um spots. So that's um fairly high. Um
it just
just means that uh folks in these
communities might have trouble um
preparing for um reacting to and
recovering from uh climate related
events such as extreme heat. Um so this
is really important for when we're
talking about mitigation strategies
because um it can help us target um you
know these communities that we really
want to strengthen um resilience for
these events.
Um, so going to go through these briefly
because we're going to go more into
detail of each hotspot. Um, but this is
so you can
see some context about where the
hotspots are um, in relation to each
other for each heat island. Um, so this
is heat island one. Um, there's two hot
spots here. Um, you can see there.
Again, we're going to go more into
detail, so I'll just kind of go through
these. Um this is heat island um two and
um you can see there's five hot spots
here.
And then for the third heat island, we
have two hotspots that we'll be looking
at. Um and again, these were identified
in the heat island assessment. This is
an overview of
of the uh general data. I know it's kind
of hard to read here. Um this again can
be found in the report. But what I
wanted to point out here um in
particular is that we have them
categorized by type. Um and type is
there a characteristic um the kind of
the cause almost is what we'll say. Um
but this is going to be important when
we're talking about u mitigation which
is what we'll go into now. So um there's
two things that we want to look at for
mitigation strategies. We want to look
at their type. Um, is this caused by uh
there's actually a few different um
things that we'll be looking at for
type. Is it little tree canopy or
vegetation? Um, is it large areas of
asphalt? Um, is it uh dark roofs or is
it synthetic turf? So, those are our
four types that we'll be working with.
And then we also want to look at
ownership status. Um, is the hotspot um
private property or is it public
property? Um and this is important for
um you know understanding what uh you
know uh actions the city might be able
to take um versus what actions um might
be recommended for uh land
land owners or business owners or
residents um and how they might be able
to help and even through collaboration.
Um the reality of the situation is it's
not as cut and dry as that. Um and
through almost all these hotspots, we
see um both public areas and private
areas. Um and so that's where that
collaboration will come in and where
these strategies will kind of come in as
we're looking at each [snorts]
uh specific hotspot. Um so I want to go
over a few cooling strategies that just
generally we were kind of picking from
in terms of um kind of those base
strategies
pick from to for each hotspot. And then
we got a little more specific for each
one um with kind of unique
considerations. But generally speaking
um this is outlined in the new report
the heat island mitigation plan. I'm not
going to spend too much time on it. Um
but a few things that we can do here um
is plant shade trees. So uh street trees
or shade trees can um provide uh a
cooling effect through evapo
transpiration. Um or it can also just
provide shade which is direct cooling.
Um and there's loads of other benefits
that come along with having street
trees. Um
we can expand cooling infrastructure. So
this is a little bit vague on purpose.
Um cooling infrastructure can be green
infrastructure. So that can look like
tree trees, but it can also look like um
pollinator gardens. It can look like
rain gardens. It can look like bio
swells. Um you know a lot of different
um categories uh can kind of fall into
that. But it can also cover, the way
that we worded it here, um it can also
cover things like cooling
infrastructure, like having an area set
up in city hall where people can come
when it gets hot or it can look like
having a sprinkler system
at a park or it can look like having you
know some sort of shade structure built.
Um so all of those things are kind of
included in that. Um we have uh cool
pavements. So um this is kind of a new
technology um but it is something uh
where pavements can either be kind of
reflective or permeable um and this is
something that might be exploratory that
the city might want to look into or even
um you know property managers as we get
into that. Um but that's definitely an
option um a potential option. And then
we have um converting dark roofs um to
green or cool roofs.
So, um, cool roofs would be again
applying some similar kind of
reflective, um, you know, kind of
material over a roof, um, to reflect
that heat, um, or that solar radiation.
Um, and then green roofs would, uh, be
putting vegetation on the roof. This can
be a little bit more in-depth. Um,
requires usually more planning. It's
difficult to do once a building is in
place, but for future development, it's
something to consider. Um, and then, uh,
synthetic turf fields. So, synthetic
turf fields um have a lot of great uh
benefits to them. And when pairing them
with some cooling strategies like the
ones we just kind of went through, um
you can actually kind of uh offset some
of the the heat concerns that come along
with with sync. Um so, I want to go into
uh recommendations here. Um so, for the
sake of kind of time, um this is all
going to kind of look pretty similar.
Um, so I'll go through them and then at
the end we can go over any questions or
comments or concerns with that. Um, so
this is where we're going to dive into
each specific hotspot and the
recommendations. So
hotspot one 1A is Main Street. Um, the
types that we have associated with this
hotspot are little canopy, paved area,
and dark roof. And um in the
presentation, I know it'll be a little
difficult to see here, um but I tried to
kind of show um kind of our heat island
map and then also some street views. So
um you can see what we're kind of
talking about here. In terms of
ownership, um there's one other point I
want to make with that. Um I did mention
that oftentimes we see both kind of
ownerships in one place. Um we did
categorize into a primary ownership.
That way it's easier for priority sync.
um for for projects. So in this case, we
have a um you know there's public space
here and also private space, but we
prioritize public space here because
that's what it mostly is. Um and we have
responsible parties. Um so Egg Harbor
City is going to be um have a role in a
lot of these if not all of them. Um and
we have you know Main Street um you know
folks as well. Um and for our
recommended actions and estimated
timeline um within two years we're
recommending to plant a diverse mix of
the street trees on Philadelphia have um
within three years. We're looking to
recommend um encouraging businesses to
install shade structures. So, this might
look like awnings and um this would be
through partnership with the city. Um we
also have um five to 10 years. Um this
is going to be encouraging dark roof
conversion and even considering cool
pavement installation. Again, these
might be a little bit um some more reach
goals, but they're things that um would
be recommended actions if the sites are
suitable. Um and you know that would
have to be looked into for that.
Um so
for hotspot 1B this is the harbor plaza
shopping area. Um the type that we have
here is little canopy and paved area.
Ownership we have um a prioritization on
private here but there is still some
public area as well. So responsible
parties are going to be the property
owner um and the city of Egg Harbor um
depending on which area we're talking
about. And then um recommended actions
we have for two years uh tree planting
on the public planting strip on Buffalo
A. So I have a picture of that. Um it's
a little bit hard to see here. It's kind
of tiny.
Um but you can see that public planting
strip where um trees may be able to be
planted. Um and also encouraging
planting on the private property um if
there's any open space or if the place
is developed differently. It's just
something to consider. um and within two
to three years we would be looking um to
consider replacing the parking lot
pavement with pool pavement. So that
would again this would be something that
we would want to discuss with the
property owner. Um there could
potentially be an opportunity for
collaboration depending on you know
the city's goals and the property
owner's goals. Uh but considering the
large amount of of asphalt here um it
could be something to consider. The Lord
knows any of your parking lot.
>> Yes, they do. [laughter]
>> So, you could get a win-win there. Um,
so
>> would the erection of overhead solar
panels parking lot be compatible with
your recommendations?
>> Yeah, so solar panels are a really
interesting um topic. It is something
that I looked a little bit into. Um,
they're a complex topic.
Um, they are built to absorb solar
radiation. Um so in that way they do
kind of increase that heat but the way
in which they are structured can be
beneficial. So whether they're over a
parking lot or they're on a roof um
there is uh you know that open area
provides shade which directly cools cars
or on a roof it cools the building. Um
and that wind that can get under there
will also help cool. So um there's kind
of research that is a little bit up in
the air. um we didn't feel comfortable
enough to put that in our
recommendations for this um project
specifically. Um but it is something
that um can certainly be looked into
depending on you know case by case basis
if that's something that would want to
be pursued by the city or private land
owner or you know a combination of both.
Um but at least for our recommendations
here that wasn't something that came up
as a as a clear direct um mitigation
strategy for me but um so yeah that's a
good question though. Um so the next
spot here um is uh
uh the private business um 2A. Um so
this is the um Buddy Davis yachts uh
area and the type that we have is little
canopy and paved area. So those are the
things we're looking at. Um this again
prioritized for private but there are
some public areas. Um so responsible
parties would again be the uh business
owner and also the city of Egg Harbor.
Um so for recommended actions we would
be looking at uh within the next two
years uh tree planting on that public
right of way um along street um and then
uh any out
reach with the property owner to
encourage tree planting. Um specifically
with all the asphalt um perhaps uh you
know trees around or tree islands or
something of that nature might be
encouraged here.
Um for uh hotspot 2B, this is the New
Jersey American Water Utility Treatment
Plant. Um the type that we have is
Little canopy and paved area. Um this is
going to be private with some public. uh
responsible parties, property owner also
city of a harbor and re
recommended actions um and estimated
timeline we have three years um would be
tree planting um something I really
wanted to point out here that's really
great um where that uh the Davy tree
inventory uh data becomes really
important is in spots like this where
you can see in that top map it's a
little bit covered on my screen here um
but it'll actually show you where there
are vacancies for tree planting So when
we're looking at where to plant trees
and we have these hot spots, this is,
you know, a great opportunity for that.
Um, so tree planting in that spot again,
that would be the city um of a harbor.
Um,
and then also even Philadelphia ad
there's some on that road as well. Um,
and uh encouraging any tree planting on
the private property. Um this might the
reason we use that kind of verbiage of
encouraging is that cir certain
circumstances might make it so you know
maybe that's not possible. Um we don't
know that at this time. So it's
something that the city u might want to
encourage um to see if it can be done
because that would be really great um
because there are some open areas uh on
this property here.
So the next spot here um is 2C. This is
Sprag Elementary School. Um so the types
that we're looking at here is Little
Canopy, Paved Area, and Dark Roof. Um
this is public, publicly owned. Um the
responsible parties would be um the Egg
Harbor City Public School District as
well as the city um might be able to
help out collaborate here. So
recommended actions and estimated
timelines for the school. Um we have
within one year we have the pilot shade
structure installation of key wreck
fields. Um this is a really great
project that will
will um demonstrate the benefits of
having structures like this in the city
um and can really help um you know kind
of boost projects moving forward. Um
within two years um we recommend seeing
tree planting in those uh indicated um
spots. Again, it's hard to see here um
but there are a lot of them around
there. So that's really great um to
target those um on Buffalo A. And then
within three to five years um we would
be looking at um you know potentially
having a a shade structure
or green infrastructure um installation
on school property. Um this we would
what would we want to be targeted would
be those paved areas. Um and again there
could be potential for collaboration but
you can see um in the pictures um there
are kind of these large areas and um
whether that's planting any sort of
plants or any sort of trees on the
property um or even just a shade
structure for the playground or anything
like that would be beneficial in
reducing that heat island effect. Um and
then within 5 to 10 years um I we have
here recommending to
consider expanding the cool roof. So,
something I want to point out here that
was actually really cool in our kind of
analysis. Um, I know it's a little small
here, but um when we were using older
imagery data, we found that the whole
roof was a dark roof. When we used
up-to-date imagery because we were kind
of going sifting through the right data,
um we actually found um that half the
roof is um is a cool roof or a light
roof. So, um there have has been work
done on this building already. Um, you
know, we are not sure the exact
reasoning for why the rest of the roof
is
not um, you know,
>> well, this was a an addition.
>> Oh, so that would explain it then.
>> That was an addition and um there was
also that was the chiller project
a lot of stuff with the roof.
>> Yeah, they red.
>> Yeah. So, that's really great. Um, this
is, you know, what these mitigation
strategies look like on the ground. um
if there's an opportunity to expand that
particular project, then that could be
something that would be encouraged.
Um
for the next hot spot, we have um 2D,
which is Egg Harbor City Community
School. Um the type that we have is
Little Canopy, paved area and dark roof.
This is public ownership. Um responsible
parties would be Egg Harbor City Public
School District and City Bank Harbor. um
recommended a actions and estimated
timeline for this hot spot would be two
years. Um establish um an an annual
arbor day program with tree planting
initiatives on the school property. Um
so this could be a way to get some trees
on the property um while also getting
uh students involved um and you know
creating that kind of education and
ripple effect um which is a great
opportunity. uh within three years. Uh
we recommend um tree planting in those
um vacancies. Again, um there's quite a
few um
>> street.
>> Yes. Yep. Um yes. So that is what we
recommend for for this hot spot here.
For the next hot spot, we have the
Philadelphia
Village Apartments and Egg Harbor City
Maintenance Garage. Um, so the type that
we see is we see Little Canopy here and
large paved areas. Um, again, this is,
uh, a situation where we definitely have
two different ownership types, um,
private and public. Um, so again, we
would have kind of the property managers
or the property owner of the apartments
and also we have the city of E Harbor,
um, in those public areas, um, in the
municipal areas. So for recommended
actions and estimated timelines for this
hotspot um within three to five years we
recommend um that any recreational
development um that occurs in this
this area um has vegetation installed um
with with that development. Um so that
would be really important. Um this isn't
just for kind of uh you know addressing
projects or things that have already
happened but also for future development
projects. It's a way to kind of get
ahead of these kind of heat island um
effects. Um and then also within five
years um we encourage uh the um village
apartments to have a uh shade structure
or green infrastructure installed um on
that property. Um
there are playgrounds on the property.
Um there are uh parking lots on the
property. So any of that infrastructure
would be beneficial in those areas.
For the next hot spot, we have um this
is for Heat Island 3. This is 3A, Cedar
Creek High School. Um so the types that
we have here, we have Little Canopy, um
paved area and um synthetic turf field.
This is again public ownership. Um the
responsible parties would be Greater Egg
Harbor Regional High School District as
well as City of Egg Harbor and
and recommended actions and estimated
timeline. Um we recommend for within
three years that tree planting
initiatives on school property um target
open areas, recreational fields and
paved areas. Um we also recommend
considering cooling infrastructure
around the athletic fields um for shade
or for water usage. So again, that's
kind of that broad um topic of cooling
infrastructure, but um whether it's an
area for students to get water or an
area that provides shade or provides
misting opportunity, any of those things
would be uh beneficial
in these um kind of open um areas. Um
and again, there could be potential for
collaboration with the city um in terms
of free plant initiatives um with within
5 to 10 years. Um we recommend that for
any uh development that occurs nearby um
which is you know in in kind of the
master plan um that strategic
development occurs um to retain
significant tree canopy because
retaining that tree canopy is again kind
of getting ahead um of that heat island
effect um and in an area uh
right next to it where there's already
kind of heat island effect occurring we
want to be mindful of that for future
development.
So for the final um hot spot here, this
is the neighborhood at Cedar Creek. We
have Little Canopy ownership. Um is
again it's mostly private um but there
are some public areas and kind of the
rightways. Um so the responsible parties
are going to be um kind of individual
residents or property owners in this
case um or city of Egg Harbor and those
rightways. Um recommended actions and
estimated timelines
for this particular spot would be um
within two years promoting um ongoing
public outreach for tree planting. Um
this could be in the form of Arbor Day
events um where residents can learn
about tree planting and tree care as
well as um even you know perhaps
acquiring uh you know trees to plant on
their properties. Uh but really kind of
hammering that on a municipal on a
citywide um scale would uh benefit
neighborhoods um particularly like the
neighborhood of Cedar Creek where these
folks um might be able to get trees to
plant on their property and and learn
why that's important
uh because the education around heat
islands as well as the benefits of trees
um you know goes a really long way in in
these mitigation strategies. So um that
is kind of the overview of all of the
mitigation strategies. Um again I just
want to say that um you know this is not
an exhaustive list of all hotspots um or
all potential mitigation strategies. Um
you know recommendations at this time um
are subject to change. That's why we're
having a meeting like this where um we
can get feedback and comments um because
engagement
um is the way that we can make really
meaningful and impactful mitigation
strategies. U so uh I'll open up the
floor um to questions, feedback,
comments for consideration. Um no. Yeah.
So if anybody has any anything to
>> I have many things to say.
>> Okay. First of all, I think it's awesome
that you're a young person and you're
into this because this is what we need.
Young people involved in what's going on
and I I'm very impressed.
>> Thank you.
>> Um I talk about Philadelphia Avenue.
[clears throat] They used to be all
businesses that were there. Everyone had
a
>> canopy. They're all vacant today, so
nobody's doing anything. Um, Cedar
Creek, you put some trees out there when
Cedar Creek was built. My husband for
the the housing development there was an
engineer for that and they designated a
lot of trees to be built around all
those houses and things. So, we have
been working on it, but I 100% agree
that more and I didn't realize that
there was pavement that was better to
use and everything.
>> And then I ended with
>> you want to see trees come to my yard. I
only live down the street here and I
live in what the old gentleman before me
lived there was cold at the garden be
and so we have lots of trees and I love
it because on hot days we don't even
turn the air conditioning on because we
have so many beautiful beautiful trees.
>> I love trees and if anybody wants more
trees there's always babies coming up
around in my yard so I can also help get
out trees. So thank you so much. I I
this is that was awesome awesome
wonderful presentation.
>> Thank you.
We um
>> first comment
to point out that I think it's state law
in California, but all pavements are
concrete and not asked for for that
specific reason.
>> That's awesome.
>> You recommend trees a lot. Does that
extend to the four considerations that I
would list for which trees to plant? one
being crown diameters, one being speed
to which they achieve the crown
diameter, the third being the length to
which they live at that, and the fourth
being um whether they're correct
for the soil that we have in Egg Harbor
City.
>> Well, we can't plant London plains
everywhere. [laughter]
>> I said we can't plant London plain trees
everywhere.
>> I'm not arguing for London plane trees,
but there are many other species. But
nowhere in this document have I seen any
such recommendations. What do you say to
that?
>> Yes. Um yeah, that's a really great
point. Um that is not something that has
come up in the guidance from sustainable
Jersey, but um it's a really great point
and it's something that, you know, with
conversations with Egar City, we can,
you know, maybe come up with with some
recommendations. Um but yes, all of your
points were were what I would suggest as
well. Um, one thing that I would also
think about would be um, location and
um, the location and and uh, the um,
potential conflicts. So like utility um,
utility lines, water, um, you know,
pipes under the ground. Um, all of those
things are something that we find is
being a really important factor for
deciding what trees to plant and where.
Um, like even uh, just coming to mind
the Harbor Plaza shopping area. um you
know we
we recommend tree planting along that
right ofway but there are power lines
there um but that doesn't mean that
trees can't be planted there um you
would just want to be you know picking
the right tree for the right place um
and in that case you would want a small
stature you know tree um one that you
know probably grows slower um and that's
something that um you know we have lists
for we use iTree iTree has a list um
that we uh you know recommend for our
inventories that uh kind of break up
those trees into small, medium, and
large trees.
Um that's how when we're looking at
vacancies, u what we decide to, you
know, at least when we give
municipalities their inventories, how we
can suggest things for them in that way.
I just wanted to mention that um our
arborist Jerry Barbario who's online is
in the process of doing uh the fall tree
planting program and uh because it's the
250th anniversary of the country, we're
going to plant 250 trees. So, a lot of
these um two-year plans to plant trees
will probably, you know,
>> probably make a good dent into that.
>> Yeah, that's great. Um, and I just
wanted to mention too that the um the
neighborhoods at Seedar Creek where it
says Little Canopy when that property
was subdivided and the design of the
lots there there are no um
>> planting strips rightways. Yes. Very
narrow and we couldn't plant trees
there.
>> But Gary did designate planting trees
there. Yes, they did do that.
>> They were supposed to plant trees in the
front yard and
A lot of them have them that a lot of
them look a little bit bad.
>> Some people took them out again too.
>> Yeah. And so, uh, we were talking about
with our tree grants, maybe making trees
available to the people who live in that
neighborhood.
>> Other people live there now, too, and
get them to plant on their property.
Yes, that would help.
>> Good idea.
um
uh the um wreck
>> uh the playground. We did get a $50,000
grant to do the canopy
>> and they're working on the design of
that right now. So hopefully that'll be
awesome. Maybe by the end of summer
it'll be up. Who knows? And um
And some of the properties that are um
the commercial properties,
they're in the process of either um
redeveloping like the guy who owns um
the Harbor Plaza Shopping Center is
interested in improving that property.
>> Wonderful.
>> So, [snorts]
yeah,
>> you know, we talked to him. We'll have
to talk to him and maybe he could
>> create a strip for trees in the middle
of the parking lot. And the same thing
for um Troy's huge parking lot in front
of that building. And the other thing
too is right of way on Philadelphia
Avenue in front of that property
>> is like 30 feet wide.
>> So Jerry and I talked about doing an
experimental planting of uh American
chestnuts. Oh wow. Which grow large. And
there's no
sidewalks there or anything to interfere
with footstep.
>> I was just going to
we thought that would be a good spot.
And then there's also another spot um
that isn't in your Heat Island
assessment in front of the marine
building on the White Horse Pike that
also has a huge um right away there in
in front of the building. So I was
thinking maybe if we could find the
American chest trees, we might put a row
of them there, too.
>> Cool. So, we used to have a chest tree.
It could have given you nuts, but now it
doesn't. [laughter]
>> Well, they have
been um what do you call it? They're
like put trying to make them more
resistant to the disease that kill them.
>> So,
>> yeah, we always have.
>> It's hard to find them though. And it
>> nuts.
>> There's some more. It's hard to find
large ones. It's kind of a new program,
but we're going to try that. See if we
can work that in. And if not, it'll be
another species of tree, large leaf
trees. Um, and then, um,
Philadelphia Avenue has is a problem
because it has wide wide sidewalks and
no planting strips.
>> They have tree wells for the trees that
are there, which are slow growing
ginkos, male ginko trees that absolutely
offer no shade at all. We had nice trees
before and then they spent a fortune to
put these gingos in there that do
nothing when they did that when they did
streetscape which is getting kind of 20
years old at least 20 25 years old. I
don't know how long ago exactly it was
for awnings.
>> Yeah.
If you only had people in the buildings
to put the awnings out.
>> There used to be more awnings on that.
Everybody had anointing years ago but
there's nobody opening the buildings
anymore. that every every so as the city
develops and and it's really important
to do to do look at this now
>> because Jerry is doing the tree planting
plan and we want to know where we want
this to guide where we we put target
areas we target
>> and there you know we're hoping that
there's going to be some development in
the city or redevelopment and it would
be good to have this kind of stuff
>> ready to go before we
>> get incorporated into the master plan.
Yes, which is in production kind of
wonderful.
>> I'm kind of I was holding off till we
get get some reports that include some
of the environmental issues master plan
>> once that's done.
>> That's a great idea.
>> And the land use board was also invited
to be here to hear this
>> because they they review cases all the
time and I I was horrified
one time when I think it was the the the
liquor
store on the pike that was built and one
of the board members suggested you
should take down that tree because it's
going to block your sign. And I was
like, don't say that.
>> Oh my gosh.
>> Hey, if people want liquor, they know
where the liquor store is.
>> And that's community outreach. You got
to educate everybody in town, including
the public officials,
you know.
>> So,
any other questions?
As far as like the I know we're looking
to build more houses out in uh north.
Yeah. Um
I believe I
I've listened to like the last the city
council meetings in the last two days at
work. So I'm getting a lot of
information confused in my head. Um but
I know when they when they start
building houses out there there is a
like a requirement that there's trees
put in. Right.
>> Yes. And it depending on who the
developer is and how the project is
formulated, we're going to try to save
as many of the trees there, right? Yes.
>> As possible and then have have a
a greater requirement to replace trees.
Like in other words,
we're not going to ask you to put one
tree in front of the house. We might ask
you to use four.
>> Yeah. And you know, the city will if
[clears throat] hopefully
got to look at the land, you got to look
at the design, but hopefully we'll have
a wider planting strip. And if our grant
lasts that long, maybe we'll be able to
help uh with the planting of the trees
on street trees rather than having the
developer do it and let the developer
worry about planting trees on property.
>> And you're living in the woods.
>> Yeah. So that's
>> So you want to keep preserve it.
>> Yeah, you want to keep that.
>> I mean, the more trees that keep
without, you know,
>> the better, you know, they're already
grow. Yeah, you're absolutely right. And
uh the other thing that you should be
aware of is that we passed a a tree
replacement ordinance um last year
>> and that also requires any developers to
come in and present to the arborist a
tree planting plan
>> and removal plant. So in other words,
they're going to have to count the
number of trees they're taken down and
develop a formula
to replace some of those trees. So that
was included in the uh in the ordinance.
>> Before we do something to Philadelphia
Avenue, is anybody studying its use?
That is, there used to be shops that
draw drew people to park and walk up and
down Philadelphia Avenue to go to the
different shops, but those don't exist
anymore. It it seems to me the only
use of Philadelphia Avenue is to get
from cars into
the apartments that are above the former
shops for which there don't need to be
much in the way of shade because it's a
very quick process and you don't spend
much time on Philadelphia Avenue.
>> Well, did you ever think that people
don't walk off Philadelphia Avenue
because it's too hot in the summer?
>> No, I think they don't walk on
Philadelphia because there's nothing to
walk to on Philadelphia.
>> This is bigger. This is bigger than the
people that live there. This is for the
environment that we're keeping the heat
from going into the universe.
>> But is there a re is there a need
>> is the question.
>> Yes, there is. Is there a need for what?
To redevelop or
>> for trees if there are no people
>> to keep the heat off.
>> I think so. We want to shade the trees.
I love to see trees, but
>> yeah,
>> there were people that came here and
said one of the big draws to a Carver
City years ago was the trees on the
streets and we did away with a lot of
that over and over. I love this town
because of the
>> defense of the city. I remember I was
reporting for the A Harbor News when
they did that streetscape and
council had three meetings just to talk
about the trees that they were going to
plant. And the trees that were removed
were the invasive Bradford pear trees.
They were coming to towards the end of
their lifespan.
>> But we had trees before that. I don't
know what they were, but there were
trees that
>> I would like to know what they were.
>> I know. We should find out what they
were.
>> Well, you're in the historical society.
something. This is the one that we'll
find that out.
>> You've lived here all your life.
>> Yeah. I don't remember what they were,
but I mean the streets were beautiful
with the trees and then we've got the,
you know,
still doing work for
>> Yeah. But that grant is over now.
>> Norway.
>> No, it's
>> I love my increase.
>> The grant was five. It was a fiveyear
program.
>> Yeah. I worked at a coalition and they
didn't renew.
>> Okay.
>> There may be other opportunities. I
mean, there are like we we got the tree
grants. We we're almost out of the big
grant, the $1 million grant. I think we
have like maybe 250,000
left to PL and we really should use it
for planting. Uh and then we have a
second grant that we're just starting to
tap now that has it's split into two
sections. It's actually three sections.
One is for education um for people like
this that want to be on a green on the
forestry committee. Um half 400,000 was
for maintenance and the other 400,000
was for planting. So,
we still have some money left. And the
the the the grants were really eaten up
by tree removals because the trees were
so huge that, you know, they had to
remove like 54 inch trees that cost
thousands of dollars to take down.
They're ending coming to the end of
their lifespan. uh they made a lot of
shade, but they also are now breaking
into the street, not just the sidewalks.
So, you know, it's it's a comprehensive
tree program
to look at rejuvenating what we have.
And uh hopefully we'll be able to get a
lot of these plantings done with
remains. And there are other
opportunities like once these grants go
away, there's still other grant funding
available. state always has they're
smaller. They're only like $30,000
grants, but you could do a lot with
$30,000.
>> Yeah. And there are tree I believe
there's a tree care grant coming from
the state uh potentially tree planting
as well.
Yeah,
>> egg Harbor because of the grants that
the city got the net
>> most towns do not have that base that
foundation of work that's been done over
the last couple years and will be able
to continue for. So the the maintenance
end is important for for the existing
trees
>> is people begin to think of their trees
as nuisance. So if they're not trimmed
and or the dead branch is taken down,
people just like
cut the whole thing there. So if they're
maintained and now now the trees that
are in the public rightway between the
curb and the street are the city's
responsibility up up until the sword has
passed, um it was not the city's
responsibility. Right. 30 years of
neglect is what it really happened.
Your people are doing a great job. I
mean, all over the town, they're working
taking down dead trees and pick fixing
people's yards there and it looks good.
>> Yeah.
>> Like anything though, there's
detractors.
There are some people don't want a tree
in front of their house or on their
property. Not only
>> Okay, they can give their money to you
electric instead.
>> Yes. Exactly. People don't understand
what a difference it makes to have
Yeah.
>> And my squirrels live up there.
Everybody
>> And that's what it boils up. People do
not understand.
>> That's right.
>> We can educate. We can educate to a
degree. Get if we get a percentage of
these people to come
>> to the other side.
>> Young people.
>> Nette educate young people.
[clears throat] We do.
>> Nette can
all of
>> Yes. Jerry,
>> can I share the um preliminary heat
island tree planting plan? Yeah, sure.
>> Ta, let me share.
>> Been working on this.
>> Yeah, he sent me something.
>> Okay, I just stopped sharing.
>> Okay, let me put mine up.
>> Why don't you guys take a picture down
here, Todd?
I have I've been asked by his boss.
>> Stand in the stand back here. Get
everybody.
>> I think this is it.
>> Action shot. [laughter]
>> Yeah.
>> Yes. Always. So, so [clears throat]
Tyler and and everyone else, this is
what I this is what I've been working
on. And today I had um a few hours to
com to compile everything. So, we've got
about 201
I'm sorry, 101 trees that are um planned
to be planted this year, this fall in
heat island number two, which we've
checked off all the boxes for heat
island number two mitigation planting.
>> Oh, great. We already did Charles Sprag
Elementary School last year because I
had your plan, Tyler, and I was able to
identify locations there. Um, so we
planted we plant I can't remember the
number. I apologize. I can't remember
the number. Um, but right now,
[clears throat]
right now, Heat Island One is in
discussion as the group has been uh has
been discussing Philadelphia Avenue and
what could be done. That's going to take
a few more conversations.
um Harbor Plaza shopping area. There's
no planting area in the rightway except
Buffalo. And on Buffalo, um because of
the wires, I would only suggest the
smaller trees like a like a malice or or
a uh um a circus, you know, a a crab
apple or a red bud.
And then there needs to be a discussion
with the district
on the um on the uh the high school uh
property as well as the letters that
need to go out. The city needs to send
out letters to try to entice the um the
Egg Harbor City North property owners
into um um getting some trees planted
behind the rightway or or basically
their front lawns. So this is where I am
now. uh with this uh I don't know what
happened here. Shoot.
Um so we have your
tree planting recommendations addressed
except for heat island number one and
heat island number three. Uh which is
going to take a little bit more work.
It's not that we can't do it. So, as
Nette mentioned, I've got so far 110
trees located uh to be planted. You
know, basically, I was out there. I was
out there myself. I used your plan and I
used, of course, our Davy uh tree uh our
Davy resource uh treekeeper program. So,
I have these uh areas located
um or locations for trees to be planted.
And I think we can probably get
some of
>> plaza to Philadelphia.
>> Yeah, Philadelphia. I think we can get
Nette Philadelphia Avenue completed. Um
I I can do that by the end of the week
at least with open tree wells and
somewhat maybe potentially replacing the
anemic and uh slower growing um male
ginkos that are there that just seem to
be struggling. Uh but we can we can have
a conversation with the uh with the tree
board about that with the shade tree
committee about that. Um so we've been
working on that.
>> This is great. This like to see that
like the plan is is that's that's really
really awesome.
>> Yeah. You you you laid the foundation. I
was just able to to I was just able to
fill in you know fill in where I needed
to. And I mean, you can see I've got on
this I don't know, it must be hard to
see, but I've got 28 chestnuts located
on 108 Philadelphia Avenue. The reason I
didn't turn the corner at this heat
island or this heat hot spot is because
now it seems like his employees are
parking on the uh on the grass at the um
on on the Deer Street side. So, I'm not
sure if trees will survive there. um
especially with all of those cars with
all of his employees. And then I have
all of the areas that we control
>> around Philadelphia Village Apartments,
of course, DPW, I have that area.
>> Um and then the Dawwick um right ofway
on Havana at the at the community
school, I have that as well as on San
Francisco
along the retention basin.
And then um [clears throat]
724 is the address I'm using for the um
for the New Jersey American Water
Building. And so I have the uh
Philadelphia Avenue.
>> I wanted to continue with some
chestnuts. And then there are wires, by
the way, on Daig uh opposite our fuel
tanks. But
>> yes, I remember seeing that. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So we could use smaller trees
there. So, there's a few um
recommendations here as far as trees
that we didn't plant last year because
it just didn't make the list. Um but uh
we're looking at at the heat island
right now, if we use last year's costs,
we're looking at about 6768,000
in trees so far for uh heat island
number two to mitigate heat island
number two.
>> That's awesome, Jerry. Thank you for
sharing that. Yeah, you're welcome. Of
course. Let me stop sharing.
So, that's the work that's being done
right now. This plan will be completed
um in a couple of weeks and uh we'll be
able to share that with you. We do have
to share it with um the state the um
forestry
the uh um forestry commission of the
state to make sure that they approve it
because we will be using if we plant 250
trees this year we'll probably be using
about $200,000 worth of grant money.
>> Okay.
>> Last year we spent $135,000
on 200 trees.
Yes.
>> And a lot of those are in island
a and
>> down by Wawwa.
>> Yeah.
Down by Wawa.
>> Between Wawa Win Park.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah. And we planted um we planted I
think was 20 uh Princeton elm around the
train station parking lot behind Wawwa
>> which
was a hot spot or a potential um I
don't know if it was identified in your
plan but it's really adjacent to um
Harbor Plaza right there.
>> It's in here.
>> Yeah. And that's and that's the thing
with with this with this you know report
and everything is that you know these
are again just prominent hotspots but if
you take a look at the whole map even
just that second figure um in the report
like there there are a lot of places you
can dress successfully like there's
>> so that's great I mean as long as you're
overlaying that data with the inventory
data you could you could any of those
spots I think would be beneficial you
know. Yeah,
>> this first
map here that shows all the hot spots
are in the center of town and everything
past the lake is
>> blue
which means that you know there's trees
all trees. I just want to know if any of
you ever lived
>> if any of you ever lived on a property
with chestnut trees because I did my
whole life and there's always these big
things with stickers everywhere. You
brought it.
>> We have
>> Yeah. You have one?
>> We have
>> Yeah.
>> I We had one. We had one for years too.
I think it came.
>> Oh, we have a pimemet tree.
>> Yeah, but they all leave great big stick
things there for your feet.
>> That's in the fall. That's okay.
>> Oh my gosh. My grandmother My
granddaughter searches purses
everywhere. So, does it attract a lot of
animals to your yard?
>> The pim?
>> Yeah.
>> There was a called herd in a
They would I go out to get the newspaper
more than they would be fixer up.
>> Well, they're only hungry. They're
looking for what's been this disease a
couple years ago.
>> Here aren't in it.
>> But that's nature. They go where they
could get food. You know, everybody's
hungry.
>> Yeah. The squirrel. Oh, definitely
squirrels.
>> I feed raccoons, skunks, possums,
everybody. Yeah,
>> Tyler, there's there's one other thing I
wanted to mention [clears throat] which
is a little unusual for Egg Harbor City
compared to other communities that I've
worked in or live in.
>> Um there are 50 foot wide streets in our
town.
and and and they are uh there's there's
there's trees along the sidewall, but
there are these large streets, very wide
streets that are are basically, I guess,
for lack of a better term, hotspots
that um there's really no way to
mitigate that unless we were planting
trees along the middle or in the middle
in the median. Um, which would have been
great for snow removal because I would
have had someplace to put snow other
than on top of people's cars. Um,
>> and it would have worked really well. U,
but that's never been discussed. But I
could see some of the streets
in in town, the larger streets of course
in town, wider streets, uh, that have a
planting medium in the middle, which
really be nice. Very nice. And of course
you see all over the place. Are there is
are there roads in particular that
you're think of? Is this is this
something Jerry that you would like to
add to the plan [clears throat] to kind
of keep in mind or is this uh
>> so so I I don't know if I want to add
it. Um so Rick lives on one of those
streets and um
>> I don't know you know right
>> there are trees.
>> Yeah, you have trees
>> and New York Avenue doesn't either. It
only goes part way
>> lower I call lower Boston Avenue. I
>> think most of the hands were in Boston.
Well, New York Avenue was one too. The
train was supposed to go out to the
river.
>> Yeah.
>> Stop some trees. It this only goes so
far and then there's woods again because
of the creeks and stuff.
>> And I reading that Boston Avenue was
supposed to be a parade route which is
why the the street is so wide. It's like
100
uh So,
>> so there's a couple of streets. Antworp,
right? Boston. Um, Baltimore is a wide
one as well.
I can't remember the others.
>> New York.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> The train was going to go to New York.
>> New York can certainly get trees because
there's a very wide median there. Very
wide median. So, New York could get some
trees. Um, we probably
>> something like that this year.
>> It's like a little
>> dual carriage.
>> Thank you.
>> So, Jerry, I could put like a comment in
the plan regarding streets with with uh
medians that trees could be planted in
or would you prefer Yeah. this kind of
conversation to be off, you know,
separated from from this? Yeah, I think
separated only because um there may be
some um push back on planting trees in
the middle of the street.
>> I remember years back
>> when they had students from Philadelphia
come in to look at Philadelphia Avenue.
This is before they did the streetscape
project. And the the students
recommended that Philadelphia Avenue
have a an island in the center and one
lane of traffic on each side. Parallel
parking, not angled parking.
>> Oh, I'm sure that didn't.
>> Yeah, that's why that's why I'm
hesitant. Like it just doesn't go just
doesn't go over. And and I don't live in
Egg Harbor, so I don't you know like I
know a little bit but not enough right
about what people's reaction would be.
>> Yeah. So I guess I guess the you know
the the question here um so the next the
next thing with this mitigation plan is
that we would just we would kind of get
any feedback incorporated into the plan.
Um if there's any feedback from the
engineer you know we can incorporate
that the plan. Um but once we have all
of that um this this mitigation plan is
is is done and then uh once you guys
have it it seems like you guys are
implementing you know so like that way
you can
use those efforts for part three of
implementation um using these plans
which is really great um but I I'm
wondering you know I had on the slide
pulled up there uh you know so whether
you distribute this recording or my
contact information if if we want to
give maybe a time frame of folks to
reach out if if they have any comments.
Um, is there anything within, I guess,
this group here that we would like to
add or change recommendations or again
if you think of something and you want
to, you know, call or
email me or let Nette know and then she
can let me know. Um, you know, we want
this to be something that is um
>> Well, I I I'm concerned that I really
want to hear from the business community
because
>> yeah,
>> you know, you could put a tree in front
of a business and then they have
conflicts like you're blocking my signs.
So, I was hoping that some of the
business people would be here to, you
know, express their concerns if they had
any. But maybe, I don't know, maybe
doing some
kind of a survey um where people could
just log on and put their two cents in.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> But they had to be educated as to why we
need these trees first.
>> We we recorded this meeting. So we will
post this meeting on YouTube and on our
city website in a survey. You could you
could link you could link it and you
know maybe even um you know I think
about this but maybe the presentation or
something if folks want to I mean it is
true with a survey style you might get
more response because
I think you know folks might be
intimidated to like reach out to people
if they have a spot where they can share
their thoughts that might be a better
way to to to go about that but we
definitely do want to give them the
ability to at least see what we're
talking about And so they can see the
information.
>> Absolutely.
>> But I mean we can once we have that
information we can take that in for
consideration no matter what it says. I
mean really. So
>> Okay. Cool.
>> Is is there is there any potential
consideration to uh do a presentation in
front of the the school board the
district uh their members because this
this plan's pretty heavy as far as
>> because it's the local school district.
>> Well, we did reach out to them and I did
hear back. I I I heard from Gina
>> from the community school. She's she's a
principal there, Gina.
>> And um I
>> think I heard from Scott over at the
high school that they just couldn't make
the meeting. So I'll send them the link
to the ones who post it and do it and
>> you know come up with ideas. Like for
instance, I know they make those uh
picnic tables with the solar canopies
where kids could plug in.
>> It would be nice to have them like maybe
around the football field, a couple of
them, you know, something like out of
the box where it's going to create some
shelter. Yeah. And that's and that's
what we were thinking for kind of those
recommendations particularly around
those those fields you know because they
are open areas and they need to be open
you know for safety reasons for the game
purposes for viewing purposes like all
that makes you know
>> but there's pockets there
>> with us too to make it that people are
working together. Yeah, this is yeah,
this is definitely about collaboration
in terms of trying to get the
strategies.
>> Collaborate while we have funding
because once the funding's gone, it's
not going to be as easy.
>> You know, we do have the money to buy
the trees and if we have to, you know,
the money is not going to last very
long. I mean, it's going really fast,
>> but we're way ahead of everybody else.
Yeah. I think it was us in Atlantic City
that got that that grant in Atlantic
County
it,
you know, Timberwall is doing their
plans and stuff. So, I'm sure they're
going to do
>> things like your hard work.
>> Well, I'm committed to the trees and but
this isn't just about trees. It's about
redevelopment.
>> Yeah. And protecting the environment and
>> the roof situation.
>> Yeah. like we we were talking about
possibly doing a solar array in the
above parking lot at Lincoln Park. You
know that
>> really on the like
Dick's idea. I mean if anybody's been to
Eagle Stadium, the lot where the
overhead solar is is where people want
tailgate
>> because it's cool. I mean I pull two
ways
>> it works both ways. It [laughter] works
both ways.
>> Absolutely.
>> So that's you know that's a city asset
the city owns that. So
>> that's certainly on my list of things to
try to get the city. And they have that
um
what do they call it? Well, like in
other words, the energy that's generated
by that solar can be used to used here.
What do they call that?
>> Yeah. Community solar.
>> Kind of like solar.
>> Yeah.
And those are another great
benefit to to solar. Again, it's
something that we kind of looked into
and and it's definitely a potential
thing. you know, that's something that
the city looks into as being an option,
but um just because it wasn't mentioned
here, I don't want it to sound like it's
not something that's not
a potential option, but at least here um
as I mentioned before, it was
>> Well, Cedar Creek is part
[clears throat]
too is educating just homeowners that
the next time they replace their roof,
don't get a black roof, Right. I agree
with,
>> you know, where it's going to reflect
back heat back up into the atmosphere
instead of absorbing it into your house.
>> So simple, so easy, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> People just didn't think before. They
didn't know that.
>> And we did. We all have lighter
colored roofs at one. I did. I know my
house did. I put a dark roof.
>> That was the style.
>> Live and learn.
>> All right. Anything else? That was an
excellent suggestion.
>> Thank you.
>> Excellent. Thanks so much. They've
worked really hard on this. Oh my god.
Yeah, I'm so impressed.
>> And he's helping us get sustainable
Jersey points, too, which is good.
You're going to be a bear trying to get
>> I live in Newfield.
>> Okay.
>> Down Franklin Township
>> where they have a lot of trees.
>> There are some nice trees there. Yeah.
>> All right, folks. I have Thank you.
>> Oh, uh I did want to mention that um we
were we were not awarded that second
grant for the forestry study. So, uh
we're going to have to do a smaller plan
and we also welcome Bell Atlantic to
create that forestry management plan for
I think it was 400 acres.
>> I'm not sure off the top of my head. We
were trying to get money to do the whole
>> the whole area
>> in north
the lake, but we gota do something. We
that'll be um I you know it's just a
microcosm of a bigger
>> Yeah.
>> you know area. So whatever it says
there's probably a path proposed for the
rest of the area. So
>> is is the city fire department qualified
to do controlled burns in the forest?
>> I don't think so.
>> No. Okay. No,
>> no, I think
>> only only
for service can do that
>> and they provide limited
uh like areas they don't
and you know you got to get on the list
and then you got to apply
>> the windows really only a few weeks.
>> Yeah. So,
>> but we'll we'll get through that. That
that'll be interesting. I'm very
concerned about forest fires or
wildfires. In fact, God, we've had some
rain now. In fact, there was a uh I
guess the Meadows that caught fire.
>> At Clark's Landing.
>> Yeah. But but well, my son's the fire
chief in lower bank and he said the wind
was blowing towards the river and that's
what saved it.
>> Yes, it did.
>> That would have been Yeah. Think of it.
>> No, thank God we didn't have fires
because it could have been way worse
with how dry it was.
>> And we are in drought. Severe drought
still even with the rain.
>> That's right. We didn't get much rain.
It got misty, but it didn't pour. It
poured
>> an inch and a quarter.
>> Yeah. Not even Well, where it
>> Yes, it did. And they said it on the
news, too. We did. It rained water 13 in
down. So, we got a lot more storms.
>> The trees.
>> So, but the leaves on the trees were
wilty and they look so much better now.
So, every little bit overnight. Yeah.
All right, folks. Thank you again, lady.
>> Byebye. Take care.
>> Thank you. Good night.
>> See you, Brandon.
>> All right. So, how do we end this
meeting here?
Pull the plug is neat. Yeah, pull the
plug