6/25/26 Council Meeting

Oh, did I kick everyone off by doing
that?
>> I may have.
>> Yeah, I I was going to log off and then
come back in, but I think it's okay.
>> Oh, you were going to do it. Okay.
>> Sorry.
>> Hold on.
Everybody's back coming back on now.
>> Kicked everybody out, Jerry.
>> Yeah, I know.
>> Yeah,
>> I did it. Jody wouldn't do it. He's too
nice. I'm I'm the kind of guy who kicks
everybody out, Chris.
>> Okay, good.
So, so Joe, Joe, it says here um um
Agora City is currently the host.
Reclaiming host may disrupt. Yeah. So,
I'm not going to do anything. I'm just
going to X out of this.
>> Okay.
>> All right.
Okay. Good. That works.
Joe, I just got back from the Keys last
night and it uh makes me look like I
your background to be honest with you.
That was I was looking at them for the
last uh five days and now I'm back in
Jersey.
>> You were in the Keys. I want to go
there. Progress.
>> It's be it is hot. Like unbelievable.
>> Yeah. I don't need to go this time of
year. I want to go when it's cold here.
Yeah, it looks beautiful.
>> It is.
>> I've been to Florida a million times,
but never there.
>> There's
>> Did you go to Key West? What um Key did
you go to?
>> We went to Duck Key. There's a resort
called um
uh Hawke Resort.
>> Oh, yeah. A friend of mine um always
talks about it. Really likes it. She
takes her her daughter there.
>> I can't hear.
I'm on Zoom. I just want to see if you
can come in and show me where I would be
able to fix that.
>> Rick, we can hear you.
>> Joe has palm trees.
>> I want to go where you are.
>> I know.
>> It's It's really hot here. I'm in my
bathing suit, you know.
Oh god.
I'm gonna say hi.
>> Look. Look at Look at you as the
background.
I'm
>> glad you enjoy it.
>> I want to go back.
>> Miss just came back.
>> Oh, that's right.
>> Read her text.
>> Jody me said, "Read your text."
>> I wrote her back.
I heard your back.
>> Can you hear me?
>> Hi, Scott. I can hear you. We can hear
you.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah, Scott's good.
>> Was that your first time there, Chris,
or you'd been there before?
>> I was in Key West a couple years ago.
>> But I went to that resort to the Hawks
K. Have you been there before?
>> Nah, first time.
>> You like that?
>> I did. Yeah.
>> It's uh 7 o'clock on my clock.
Yes.
>> Are we ready? We uh Do we have a flag,
Jody?
>> Oh, sorry. Yes. Give me one second.
>> I have one if you need it.
Do you want my flag?
>> Do we have a quorum here? We have to
check that first, right?
>> Three. Four.
>> Tanner's not going to be here.
>> Okay. We only have one.
>> Six. You have at least six.
>> We have six.
want to use this flag.
>> Yeah, that's good.
>> Yeah, we have six.
>> All right, we have so
>> stand and salute the flag.
>> Pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America.
>> To the
stand,
indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all.
Okay, welcome to the June 25th, 2026 A
Carver City Council meeting. Uh, in
compliance with the open public meetings
act, state of New Jersey, adequate
notice of this meeting, uh, city council
was provided in the following manner.
It's been posted on the AC Carver city
bulletin board, posted on the AC Carver
city website, and notice was sent to the
Hamilton Gazette and the Atlantic City.
U
roll call please.
>> Mayor Jim Penny
>> here.
>> Dovy
>> here.
>> Galloway
>> here.
>> Heist
>> here.
>> Hessie
>> here.
>> Kenir
>> here.
>> Ortiz.
Mr. Ortiz.
>> He's not going coming tonight.
>> Okay. I'm sorry. Uh Mr. Sen.
>> Yes.
>> Timbers.
Mr. Timbers was here. He's on his way.
He's going to be joining. And Mr. Wright
>> here.
>> Okay.
Okay.
>> Okay. Um, is there public on the on
here? Does anyone wish to be heard from
the public?
>> Hello.
>> On agenda agenda items only.
>> Yes.
>> Can you hear me?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Uh, my name is Michelle. I'm at
509 Fifth Terrace. Uh item number 13
authorizes the submission of a grant
application for the Moss Mill Road
landfill. And I received information uh
suggesting that environmental
investigation activities may have
already occurred at that site
last year.
>> Ryan, are you on here?
>> Ryan McGawan here.
>> I don't see
>> I could I could answer that. There's
different there's kind of different
stages of these grants. So the initial
one is what they call prelim prelim
sorry preliminary assessment. Um so
that's kind of the first round. Then the
second one is basically um I think they
call it um remedial investigation and
site investigation. And then the third
one is the actual remedial action. So
this I believe is the second stage.
>> Okay. Um,
so
were those those were approved by the
NJD pay?
>> Yes, that's a question.
>> Like to like to fund the grants? Yes,
they were awarded from the D.
>> Okay. Well, was there any environmental
borings, test pits, monitoring walls, or
other subsurface investigations
conducted at the landfill that
penetrated or otherwise disturbed the
landfill cap?
You want me? Yeah. Sorry. Okay. So, the
um the environmental consultant who is
doing the work got a landfill disruption
permit from NJD.
The landfill is not officially capped.
Um as part of their investigations, they
found that there's not um sufficient
cover. Usually, if the contaminants in
landfill are not um you know, considered
to be too too much of a concern, 2 feet
of clean fill over the site is is
sufficient. And sometimes if you do
borings and you find that there's
sufficient cover there, they'll actually
just let you kind of leave it and then
consider it covered. But from what I
understand, um for their investigations,
there's portions where there's not 2 ft
of cover. So, they're going to have to
go through and propose a closure plan
which will include a cap which likely
will be 2 ft of clean cover because
there hasn't been um very much
identified. But they did they haven't
just been, you know, running around
poking around hope for the best. They
did get a landfill disruption permit
from NJP. They had a whole boring plan
that was approved by D. Um and then D is
funding it through the HDSRF grant
funds.
>> Okay. And are those reports available
online or is that something that we have
to submit an open public records
request?
>> So this the city is not even in receipt
of all of that stuff yet. The city has
entered into a redevelopment agreement
with the redeveloper and the redeveloper
has hired a consultant to conduct this
work. Since it's being done on city
property, it's eligible for HDSRF grant
funds and we will get copies of all
that. But the final reports and all um
are not yet available. I just had a call
with um the environmental consultant
who's doing uh the vast majority of the
work probably a week and a half or two
weeks ago just to get an update and they
sent me an updated um like groundwater
flow direction map just a schematic of
the site um you know with with some uh
just basic information sort of a quick
summary um but final reports and all
will all have to be uh provided to the
city.
>> Okay. Thank you. Sure.
>> Thank you.
Anyone else from the public wish to be
heard on any agenda items?
>> Okay. Seeing none, seeing none, we'll go
to uh number five, which is approve the
minutes. We don't have any. Is that
right? Uh
>> correct. Correct.
>> Okay.
>> They're not completed yet.
>> All right. So, we'll skip that for
tonight. Um mayor's report number six.
>> Yes. Um, I guess everyone knows that we
got our new fire truck last night. It
came into town escorted by the old
ladder 10 truck and it was quite quite
an event. Um, just a reminder that that
fire truck was paid for through the sale
of the water treatment plant. We did not
take a loan out for that or anything. It
was just what we committed to our fire
department because our ladder truck was
too old to be in service anymore. It
wasn't a frivolous expenditure. It was a
much ne needed expenditure according to
the rules for firet trucks. Also, I
would like to thank Gary Hess and Krec
organization for mulching the Kaboom
playground on Philadelphia Avenue. They
spent $7,000 for mulch and had some
volunteers doing some free labor. So, it
saved the city quite a lot of money and
I certainly appreciate all Gary does and
Kre does for our community. Um, speaking
of grants, we did get a I got a official
letter from the EPA.
We have a grant of $500,000 for a
cooperative agreement for an assessment
grant and that will be for the old dump.
>> Okay.
>> Um,
Ryan, did you want to say anything else
about that?
>> Yeah. So technically the grant includes
um phase one investigations of I believe
it's 10 sites and phase two
investigations of I believe five sites.
So that the dump is the primary one but
it's really addressing sites um all over
town and a phase one essentially just
goes through the complete history of the
site and then a phase two um usually
does a little more like actual
investigation type work.
Um, so yeah, that that's a big one for
the city half million dollars to get a
good handle on um, you know, where these
sites are and try to get them back into
productive reuse is uh, it's obviously
helpful.
>> Y started talking fast. And we also we
also got an NJD
I bank grant which Ryan will probably
tell you a little more about too for $2
million which is great news to plan for
um redoing our uh wast things and things
like that. And also as we go into these
streets and remake those repairs, we
will be able to repair the roads and
have new roads also. Ryan, you want to
go there?
>> Yeah. So, the the grant actually covers
the planning and design of the
replacement of pretty much all of the
city's storm management infrastructure.
So, uh, if you'll recall in late 24, we
started, um, trying to use what's called
clean water funds. The city is eligible
for $3 million that can be used for, um,
design, inspections, and construction.
So, we just awarded that project. Uh, we
did lock in the FY26 funds. So, the city
will be eligible for another 3 million
next year for for construction and and,
uh, other related. But, this is just
planning and design. So we'll be able to
um get a handle on the entire system um
run the calculations to figure out the
hydraulics for the entire city and
redesign the entire system for the city
and then we can keep going back and and
applying for um the clean water funds to
actually you know construct it. So um
you know it'll be a lengthy process. It
involve permitting. It'll involve um
essentially plans that are ready to bid
to some degree. Um and then you know as
we get the clean water funds we can move
forward with construction of it. So it's
it's huge because the the city I mean we
we just talked about a pothole um I
think two or three meetings ago and that
pothole is because one of the old pipes
in the system that we're about to
replace collapsed. So you know the these
items are there and it's not something
anybody's thinking of but it's a real
cost to the city when stuff like that
happens. you know, single repairs might
be 15 $20,000.
And you know, that that only fixes one
little spot. Um, you know, the other
thousand thousands of feet of the same
pipe are in the same condition. Uh, and
the old inlets that we had, the city
style inlets, all of them are not
compliant with the current MS4
requirements, uh, the opening sizes are
too big. So, we're replacing all of
those. So, it's it's been a huge
windfall for the city.
And I'd like to thank R&B and especially
Ryan for bringing that program to our
attention several years ago and we did
try to get it a few years back, but I
think we're a little late at the um
get-go and so luckily we got it this
year. So, thank you Ryan and R&B. Also,
just a reminder that we did because of
Nette's work with the um heat island
things and whatnot, um we did get a
shade structure grant for $50,000. And
uh Jody and I were and my husband were
over there measuring for the shade
cover. Anyone that visits the Kaboom
playground on Buffalo Avenue knows how
hot it is. The sun is directly on that
playground all day. And this will be a
great help for the kids to have a nice
shade structure over their playground.
And we we only have enough for one
section, but hopefully we'll be able to
apply for more. Um, also, uh, just one
thing else I'd like to bring up that the
fire department has requested that we
look at streets for, um, parking on and
the streets go sideways. If you know
what I'm talking about, it's Argo
Beethoven
um
uh camp bodius blah blah blah for
parking on both sides of the road. They
had recommended that we address some of
the issues that are prevalent right now.
So, uh, the council, the redevelopment
committee and the highway committee met
today and we sort of talked about the
streets that we really have to address
right away that should not be parked on
both sides so the fire trucks can get in
in the event there's an emergency. And
there'll be more to come on that at the
next meeting. Um, Rick, did you want to
talk any more about that or Joe?
Well, just to um reiterate what you
said, some of the the streets uh the
east west streets uh when people park on
both sides, it's very limited access. So
there's a recommendation from the police
chief uh on several blocks that where we
should um uh aggressively enforce uh the
or existing ordinance that exists uh for
parking only on one side of the street.
So
>> thank you Rick and I don't have anything
else other than u we won't meet again
until after July 4th. So, happy July 4th
to everyone and happy 250 to the USA,
our great country that we live in. Thank
you.
>> You, mayor. All right. Uh 6A,
our administrator, Jerry.
>> Thank you, Joe. Um this evening, I have
a letter that I was asked to present
from the um construction official, Steve
Buckhoffer. Uh the construction official
is recommending Gus Morganetti as the
acting building subcode. Uh he has been
working with us for several months and
on a part-time temporary basis. He's
been working for us for several years
now. He holds all of the required uh
UCCc licenses. Um and um
what Steve is recommending is that even
though Brian Malas Malazo was hired um
for property uh code as well as uh UCCC
licensing, Steve is asking as the
department head for the city to support
his decision and recommendation to hire
Gus Morgani so that um he has someone
here with experience. Uh when I spoke
earlier with the council president about
this um my feeling was that um you know
the city and the administration needs to
support the department heads. The
department heads are very experienced.
In this case Steve uh I think has 38
years experience in in the building
department and in uh as a construction
official and a fire official. And so
it's very important that the
administration support uh their staff
and the uh department head in their
recommendation. So, um, I have this on
the, uh, as one of my items that I want
to go over this evening. The, um, I'm
not sure if if there was a resolution
to, to do this. There may have been in
the past. Um, so I don't know where
where that is.
>> Yeah, that's an add-on, Jack. Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> I have something to say as the chair of
code department.
>> Go ahead. Um, I'd like to table this
issue so that the committee could review
the current situation because I've not
been privy to any developments regarding
this matter since March and this issue
was only brought to my attention today
at 3:30. So given these circumstances, I
believe the committee should convene to
discuss the matter before any decisions
are made.
And I make a motion to table this.
Well, I I would say something before
there's a second that um
we don't really have time to do that
because
DCA only allows temporary employees to
run uh the sub code position and we are
at the end of that time frame which is
very short.
>> Yeah.
>> And he can't be a temporary employee. it
has to be someone that is appointed to
the position.
>> So that was uh Mr. Buckhopper's uh
statement to me that
you know this is
>> this is there was there was a and we
can't talk about personalities or people
here. We have to talk about the position
itself.
>> So it's it's it's something that we need
or we're going to have trouble with DCA.
My concern with this is there was no
notice whatsoever to discuss this with
Steve or or anyone between the committee
that I really feel that we need the time
because had he have known this before
I'm guessing he's known this for a while
Jerry have you known this for quite a
while that this had to be done
>> because he knew that Brian had to take
the tests.
>> He he did he did Kim and he passed it.
So he is he is certified now to be the
building inspector. But I received this
letter earlier today and it's always
been my position that uh a department
head especially um those of us with a
lot of experience should take the
recommendation of the building
department or the the the department
head very seriously. U but I only
received this letter earlier today from
Joseph.
Not only that, you know, the uh the
person that we're talking about that
passed the test doesn't actually have a
license at this point.
>> So, we can't appoint anyone else at this
and Gus has been doing a great job for
us from what Steve tells us. So,
>> he actually has as a preliminary
license. He's had it. He passed all
everything except for he had to take two
tests which you said he had taken in May
>> and he's waiting for that license.
>> Doesn't have a license from DCA at this.
Can
>> Hold on. We we have there's two motions
on the table right now and the other
one's been seconded. Uh Committee
Galloway made a motion to amend the to
welcome the resolution and Committee
Hess then made a motion to um to table.
So if there there needs to be a there if
there's no second, both motions fail. So
>> I'm going to second Miss Galloway's
motion.
>> Okay. And now there can be discussion.
And now there's uh Councilwoman Pess's
motion to table is is on without a
second.
>> I have a question. Can I ask a question
first?
>> Yeah. Now that there's a Yes,
absolutely.
>> Okay. My question is this Brian,
he's a temporary employee. He wasn't
hired on as a permanent position to do
this job. Or was he given the assumption
that if he got his licenses, this was
going to become his position.
>> He was hired as a permanent part-time
employee
>> and then
>> but was he told to get these licenses
and then he would become his permanent
position?
>> Go ahead, Kim. Please answer me.
>> Yes. As a matter of fact, in Brian
Malazo's position, what we actually
signed on was the uh resolution
basically said that Brian uh would be
code enforcement officer and then the
acting head of the department under the
supervision of the construction
official. And so that was
providing you know that he got
>> on my team. I just switched.
>> Yes. providing that he got his license.
Yeah.
>> Yes. And he had
>> he had until I thought August it was to
get the license.
>> So I he was under that impression as far
as I know, but everything ended with me
in March. So I don't know where where
what anybody actually said to him.
>> You can't have a temporary person in
that position for that longer period of
time. So it that's what the problem is
right now. That's why uh Steve is
recommending this and move forward. We
have a qualified person who's been with
us for a while now and he's done a good
job and uh
>> so so basically this Brian went this
Brian went and got his licenses and now
he did all that and
>> he don't have a license right now.
>> He just passed all the tests to have the
license.
>> Correct. So the license is in it's in
the process of becoming an official
license. If you pass the test, it
becomes in the process.
>> I don't know what the hold up is. He
passed the test the end of uh
>> April May, I think. End of May.
>> Okay. I'm going to second the t I'm
going to second the table of of
>> councilwoman Hess because
>> I believe that there's a mixup and I
don't believe this is fair to this young
man who came to work for us was told
that this is going to be his position
and now it's being ripped out from under
it and what I also don't believe is fair
is decisions are being made before
they're taken to the committees. If
we're a committee government, the
someone makes the suggestion, it then
goes to the committee. It's discussed
among the committee. If the committee
agrees, then it comes to council. That's
not happening lately. That didn't happen
with this and it didn't happen with
something else that's on the agenda for
this evening.
>> There's a motion
>> table takes precedent. So,
>> there needs to be a vote.
>> There needs to be a vote. We'll do a
roll call vote, please.
>> We vote
on the table this or not.
>> Okay. No, not the
Chris with the motion.
>> Motion table. Where's the motion?
>> The table.
>> Motion to table is
>> okay. Are we ready for roll call?
>> Go ahead.
>> All right. Dovy?
>> No.
>> Galloway?
>> No.
>> Heist?
>> Yes.
>> Pessie?
>> Yes.
>> Kenir,
>> no.
Sen,
>> uh, negative.
>> Timbers,
>> no.
>> And right,
>> yes.
>> Okay. So, uh, table does not pass. What
was the vote?
>> 53.
>> 54.
Okay.
>> So, um, there is a motion and it was
seconded by me. Uh, by Miss Galloway
made the motion. Uh, let's take a roll
call vote on that, too.
>> Dovy,
>> yes.
>> Galloway,
>> yes.
>> Price,
>> no.
>> Pessie,
>> no.
>> Kenir,
>> yes.
>> Sen,
>> uh, yes.
>> Timbers,
>> yes.
>> And Wright,
>> no.
>> Okay, motion passes. And Mr.
Um, what's his last name?
>> Morganti.
>> Morgante
>> is now our building sub.
>> Very good.
>> Thank you. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> We'll have comments at the end also. So,
um, now we'll get into committee chair
reports.
>> So, we'll start with Mr. Wright.
>> Nothing right now. I mean, we got
football practice going on as we speak,
but other than that, nope.
>> All right. Thank you, Mr. Timbers.
>> Uh, nothing.
>> Okay. Uh, Mr. S.
>> No, I'm good. Thank you.
>> Is Mr. Ortiz here yet or he's not
coming?
>> He's not coming.
>> I'm coming.
Um,
>> Miss Hassie,
>> nothing for either. Miss,
>> nothing.
>> Mr. Galloway,
>> I got a few things. Um, preserving the
harvest um is uh going to be delayed
until July 11th at 10:00 a.m. at city
hall. Uh I wanted to thank Jerry for his
time as arborist. He did a fabulous job.
We didn't always agree, but we always
worked things out to the betterment of
the city. So, I really appreciate all
your help and expertise.
>> Thank you. Um
there was some confusion over deadlines
for the submission of the arborous
proposal and we there were two dates put
out there. We received responses on for
two separate dates. So, we think that to
be fair to the biders and hopefully find
uh additional bids that we should re uh
advertise and accept bids on I think it
was 10:00 a.m. July 15th.
So, um I guess that should be does that
have to be in the form of a motion?
>> We only need a resolution to reject.
>> Okay. So, um, I make that resolution to
reject the, uh, bids and readvertise.
>> So, there's a motion. Is there a second?
>> Second.
Questions on the motion?
>> All in favor?
>> I
>> opposed.
Okay. So,
>> um, I just wanted to, you know, I'm sure
everybody's aware of this, but, um,
severe drought, and I wanted to ask the
public to be, uh, mindful of if they had
a new tree in the last couple years to
make sure that it's uh, watered. Some of
them are starting to get a little brown
and the leaves are dropping. So, they
need water. That's basically what it is.
And to also be very careful for the
Fourth of July with fireworks. Uh could
very easily start a fire if uh because
it's it's just so dry out there. The
ground's ready to crack.
Um, and I wanted to remind the residents
of A Harbor City, if they're listening,
that they are required by ordinance to
remove the um, trash and recycling
containers from the terraces. Uh, some
some alleys are really difficult to get
down because these buckets are in the
middle of of the road. So, please put
them back on your property 5T from the U
pavement. Um,
the newsletter should go out on the 1st.
So, if anybody has any information for
the newsletter, please get it to me by
the weekend so I could work on it over
the weekend. And I congratulations to
the fire department on their spiffy new
ladder 10. That's it.
>> Can I add something to Nette?
>> We do have uh the tree bags, Nette, that
we got when we got the first round of
trees.
wants those, they can city hall, put
their name and address and I'd be happy
to deliver it to them.
>> That's great. Thank you. I I didn't know
where they were, but
>> Where are they?
>> Well, they were in the old water
treatment plant and then I believe I
moved them to public works. I'll have to
check. We have a box
>> a box of them. Yeah. Okay, great. I need
a donuts shaped one. So,
>> yeah, we have a lot of donuts. They're
not too popular.
I just have a comment for Miss Galloway.
>> The trees might be suffering of all the
trees out there, but two that you put in
front of my house, it's growing like a
weed. And
>> they're beautiful.
>> It's getting bigger and bigger. My house
is going to be covered soon. So,
>> yeah, they're beautiful.
>> Yeah.
>> And we found out those trees are on the
invasive species list, so we can't plant
any more of them.
>> They're the nicest trees ever.
>> I know.
And I just wanted to let you know,
Nette, that all my events are posted on
Facebook.
>> Okay.
>> Questions, let me know.
>> Nette, what are they?
>> What are they?
>> The Zelovas.
>> Elovas. Thank you.
>> Okay. Um, Mr. Dovy.
>> I really don't have any um report other
than it's been very busy. the uh limited
staff in public works have done a
terrific job over the last several
weeks. Uh a a number of things have been
accomplished and I want to thank
everyone who's been involved in that.
The u there are four resolutions on
tonight's agenda that are public works
or um related. Um one is the uh grant
application uh for the municipal aid
paving from the state. Number 15 uh of
course there's a a
change order which is not any
significance of supplemental work and
reduction number 16 for the Buffalo
Avenue uh paving. And we also have the
uh resolution authorizing hiring through
JPM um a uh threemonth uh temporary
public works uh supervisor
director and there's also
authorizing Remington and Vernie to um
design services for the I bank u
improvements uh for storm
That's it.
>> Great. Thank you, Mr. Tony. I just have
one thing I want to say. Um, I had a
situation this week where a resident or
an out of town resident called and
complained about something that happened
to him at the lake uh when he was
checking in and uh I called the guy
Dora. The guy called me and uh told me
the whole story. I contacted the mayor
and asked her how we should handle it.
She forwarded it to Renault and I have
to tell you the response that we got
from Renault and how they handled the
situation was fantastic. They u they
were professional, they were detailed
and they solved it. uh where the person
that had come to the lake and had the
problem actually invited the two people
that run the lake now to come and have
dinner with them at their picnic table
that they rented. So, uh they handled it
very well and it was uh it was a nice
thing to see. So, you know, we've we've
had issues, you know, with the whole
campground thing and all that, but
Renault is a great partner and I think
it's going to be a good thing going
forward with with the campground and the
lake. So,
all right, that's all I have. Um, go to
the chief of police.
>> Hello, everyone. Um,
>> where tree?
>> What's that?
>> Where's your palm tree? All right.
Um,
>> she looks relaxed though.
>> Yeah. Well, front porch life is great.
So, um,
so, uh, I was not at the last meeting. I
believe the mayor gave the report. So,
since then, um, we've had quite a few
officers in different trainings, some
mandatory, actually all of them
mandatory. Um,
so we had one officer do a finding words
refresher course. Finding words is a
specific course that is required anytime
you interview a child 12 years old or
under. Um it's specifically so that
there is no there are no leading
questions or any kind of uh interference
with the children. So we had one officer
go to that. We have one officer go to a
twoweek crash 2 course. Um it that is an
intensive course that requires uh lots
of math skills. Um uh so that we can
appropriately investigate crashes, legal
updates. Every year we are required by
the attorney general to go to legal
updates. Two officers went to the actual
class um presented by the Atlanta County
prosecutors. everyone else will have
access to that and the PowerPoint
presentation on our power DMS system um
which is an in-house uh document system
that we can put out to everybody. Uh,
another mandated unfunded mandate that
we have to do is what is called an
active killer training, which is
basically an active shooter training.
The Atlanta Atlantic County Prosecutor's
Office put on um, from what I'm hearing
from all of the officers and throughout
the county. An incredible training at
the Fusion Church in Egg Harbor
Township. Very real realistic, very
intense. Um,
so 10 of our officers went through that.
We had one officer go through a crisis
negotiation training that is a monthly
thing. We had two officers that had to
be Alcatest reertified. So, we've had
lots of training this month um or the
last few weeks actually just two weeks.
I spent the last few days at the annual
conference for the New Jersey State uh
Association of Chiefs of Police. got
some very good information from a
retired chief from Ferguson, Missouri,
who was there when um dealing with the
ramifications of the George Floyd
killings in Minneapolis, completely
different city, but Ferguson went wild.
Um and then also a prosecutor who was a
prosecutor for the city of Minneapolis
during the George Floyd um issue. So,
lots of great information that the
police department is getting.
Some numbers for you from the last few
weeks. We've had four burglaries, one
fraud case, 10 thefts, lots of
shopliftings. Um, we seem to have
somebody new in town who is stealing
stuff from folks. We have a good handle
on that and a lead on who that is, so
hopefully that will be rectified very
shortly. Six motor vehicle accidents, 17
traffic stops. Only three summones
issued. Again, we've had lots of
officers in training, so um we're
running on minimums for those days.
We've had seven arrests, five business
alarms, two residential alarms, 56
crimerevention activities, one criminal
initiative call, 10 domestics, 22 EMS
incidents, four follow-up calls, 577
property checks, and 11 public service
calls. That's about all I have for you.
Um any questions, concerns?
>> Excuse me. What's a property check?
>> So, basically what we do is we go and we
look at the places. So, a property check
of the lake. As we drive through the
lake, make sure nobody's doing donuts in
the parking lot. Make sure nobody's
trying to get into the uh the bathrooms
or the um
concession stands. So, we will go and do
property checks at various locations.
um Harbor Plaza, so where Inolingos is
making sure that nobody's trying to get
into different places doing any kind of
damage. So, yeah.
>> Okay. Yeah. Okay. Thank you.
>> I did have a question. Um
what are you expecting from the ebike uh
regulations?
Well, we just got some more information
from
the Attorney General's office along with
information from the uh
New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission. Um,
we're going through that. There has not
been very much guidance with that. Um, I
have had issues with folks saying that
insurance companies will not cover them.
So now that you need to have a license
and to have registration,
you can't register your ebikes without
insurance. So those are issues that
we're running with. Um we are very
different than the shore towns that you
typically cover in terms of what the
issues are with our ebikes. Many of our
ebike riders are using it because they
cannot afford to have a vehicle and need
to get to some places of employment. So,
it had been a uh a an affordable and a
reasonable way to get to someplace to
get um to employment, whereas the shore
towns, it's more recreational. So, um we
uh as a chief's association for Atlantic
County are talking about how we address
these things in our various ways. Um
I'll call it like it is. I see it as a
money grab by the state um for
registration and insurance to register
these and it is uh
marginalizing folks who are already
marginalized. Um
however, we will go ahead and utilize
what we have in terms of the ordinances
with title or um the title 39 stuff that
we already have in place to go ahead and
enforce what we can.
>> Okay. Thank you. Anybody
else for the chief?
Okay. There was one thing that I forgot
to bring up uh under my report was um
also to do with the lake. I got a call
about a month or so ago from the people
running it with Renault that they had a
woman that was wanting to rent the
pavilion for Fourth of July. and
Christopher, the guy there, noticed that
there's a plaque at the bottom of the
flag pole in front of the pavilion on
the pavilion side. And it says there's a
time capsule uh underneath that plaque
that is to be opened 50 years from when
it was placed, which would be July 4th.
It was placed in 1976,
so it should be opened July 4th, 2026.
So he said he wouldn't rent the pavilion
if there was a plan to open that time
capsule. So, I took it upon myself and I
called some people I knew from the
Masons and the Knights of Columbus who
did that and uh they were not fully
aware of the fact that there was a time
capsule there uh because 50 years a lot
of the members that put it in are gone
and um however they did say that they
were going to start a conversation
between what's left in the Knights of
Columbus who merged with Maze Landing I
believe and the Masons who are still
very active uh to put together some kind
of program. Uh it won't happen on the
4th of July, but it will happen and uh
they're going to work together to try to
come up with a plan that will include
the city. You know, we'll be part of it
and uh open that time capsule sometime
hopefully in the summer where uh we can
uh give people a lot of notice to come
out and look if they're interested. Uh I
did hear uh yesterday or today that uh
there were some residents that wanted to
take it upon themselves to go in and dig
it up and open it on the 4th of July.
And uh we want to put the word out that
that is city property. And we are
working with the organizations
that put it there and uh who built the
pavilion uh after the old pavilion burnt
down. And um hopefully those two
organizations will come up with a nice
plan to uh have an event there where uh
it can be opened properly and everyone
can be notified prior to it. So I ask
anybody that has an inkling to go out
there and dig it up and try to open it
not to do that. And Chief, if you would
keep an eye on it somehow, uh that would
be appreciated.
Uh Joe Johnny Rup also reached out to me
about that. Apparently his father was
the one that cemented the time capsule.
So I think
>> they'll never get it out then.
>> I think they're going to collaborate in
there pretty hard to dig up.
>> Yeah. I think they're going to
collaborate with the American Legion or
something to try to figure it out.
>> That'd be good. Yeah. So
>> be nice to do some kind of a party
fundraiser there where those
organizations could, you know, sell
tickets, maybe raise some funds for
their groups. Be nice.
>> Okay. I just wanted to put that out
there. Um
>> um Mayor, uh Council President Kener, so
um yes, we will continue to keep an eye.
I did see the post out there about the
uh about the time capsule. Um I was out
at the lake and did have an opportunity
to speak with um
the two managers, Chrissy and Chris. Um
they did express the same thing that you
had talked about with the specific uh
complaint that they got. Um I too have
gotten
feedback that folks are very happy with
what's going on out at the lake. So, and
I, as the police chief, have been very
happy that our calls for service so far,
although it's only been a few days where
the lake has been open full-time. Um, we
have had very few calls for service, if
any, um, out there. So, that that's a
positive thing. Um, so I think it's a
good thing that we are partnering with
Renault. Um, one final thing that I
would like to say is that, um, Jerry, I
believe this is your last council
meeting. Um, so, uh, I wish you well
with whatever
>> Thank you, Marcela. Thank you, Chief,
very much.
>> Um, but yeah, so, um, I'm still waiting
for you to cut that one tree down, but
>> Yes, I know.
>> But, um,
>> do the cutting. So,
>> it's I'm waiting for him to cut this
tree down.
>> But, um, but
>> Nanette already said we don't agree all
the time. She and I. So, there's there's
one of those, but we'll u we'll take a
look at it before I leave.
>> I've got a chainsaw. Um but uh just
busting chops. Best of luck to you.
>> Thank you so much.
>> That's all I have, Council President.
>> Okay. Thank you. Uh number nine, CFO.
>> I don't have anything. Um Jerry, just
want to wish you good luck and it has um
been nice working with you.
>> Same here. Thank you, Jody.
Number 10, city clerk report.
>> Uh, I have nothing.
>> Okay. Number 11, city attorney.
>> I have nothing. Thanks.
>> Okay. And our favorite person in
engineering,
Brian McGowan.
>> I mean, I mean, only, but
>> yeah,
>> I appreciate the fever, too.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, okay. So, uh, I'll go through. We
got uh preliminary notice from DCA that
they're going to allow the funds uh that
were originally intended for the path
around the lake to be reallocated to the
bathrooms and concession stand. Um I I
just got a notice from uh Franco from
Triad I a couple hours ago. So she said
there's still some direction that we
need from DCA for exactly uh how that's
going to work out, but we at least got a
preliminary indication. So that's a good
start. Um we're still working to get the
bathroom uh out to bid for that. Uh the
utility upgrades, uh we're working on
bid documents to be able to bid that out
now to install that in the fall. The
electrical was awarded, so that'll be
starting in the fall. Uh our city hall
improvements are unfortunately a little
behind schedule as we can all tell
sitting on Zoom. Um we had some issues
with the railing and the way the railing
lays out on that deis. Um so I'm still
trying to work through that. They're
making progress on the bathrooms. Uh I
understand they got the service counter
windows in. Uh I believe that was today
or yesterday. So, I haven't been there
to see them yet, but I know they're
they're making progress there. So, the
bathrooms, what's how things look so
far, Jackie?
>> They look nice. Yeah, very nice.
>> Good initial report. Um, so your active
stuff would be uh the IBank Storm
project. We got our concurrence from
IBank. So, we are locked in. I believe
we closed on the loan yesterday. Um, so
that means you're locked in with the
FY26 money and we can go after the FY27
money to do another $3 million of of
storm replacement for this upcoming
year. Uh, so we'll be put in a proposal
for that uh for next month's meeting so
we could start it as soon as possible.
Um, I would have done it for this
meeting, but I don't think technically
we didn't start until after July 1st. So
uh, we kind of had to wait for that to
happen. Um, Dwig Street, we're still
waiting on approval from DOT. Um, I
think I covered last meeting we had some
correspondent to DOT. Apparently there
was a mixup on their end. So, they're
trying to sort that out. Uh, the senior
center ad improvements, we're expecting
to have plans and specs to go to DCA uh
in July for their review and hopefully
approval so we can get that bid and get
that work started. Um, camp from
Braymond to Antworp and Burger from
Buffalo to Cincinnati. Uh, the design
for that is almost complete. It's
actually on my desk for review. So, I'm
hoping to wrap that up and we expect to
send that to uh DOT for approval to bid
uh in July. Um, the Kreck field work, we
were moving along. We went to do soil
borings uh and found um with Gary's help
that there was a lot of um electrical
and sprinkler lines in an area we were
planning on potentially doing some
underground drainage. So I need to meet
with him out there and try to
>> pick out an area that we think could
work sort of between the the nest of
stuff that's out there already. Um so I
got to schedule that with him. Uh the
brownfields redevelopment areas, as the
mayor noted earlier, we the city
received another $500,000 for brownfield
investigation work. So that's that's a
big win. Um that just helps you
understand what you have and you know
remove some impediments to uh getting
those properties back into productive
reuse. Um the 2026 uh I bank planning
and design grant, we also got
confirmation on that. That's the $2
million. Uh getting again getting locked
into FY26 funding was a big a big deal
because you're eligible for another $2
million next year. Um so we'll we'll
regroup with the committee and and prove
it out if we have another project that
would be eligible for that. Um and then
uh yeah, last thing I had was the the
FY27 clean water money. Um so we're
going to target additional replacements
uh I would think will be Burger Street
and a little bit more on Agro Street. Uh
just direct replacements is um kind of
what we have to target because the
timeline won't really permit us to go
out and get permits um for full
reconstructions. So that will be what we
address in the planning and design
funding with $2 million in actual
design. You can go through the
permitting processes and uh get all that
And then hopefully in 2028, uh, we'll be
able to use the FY28 funds to actually
construct the stuff that we deserved as
part of this initial round. Um, only one
other update. The county sent out a
letter uh to all the uh to the city, to
other stakeholders uh that they're
getting ready to start their paving
project on Philadelphia Avenue. I think
it said in the winter of 26. Um, so
presumably like November or so, they'll
start construction. We'll probably pave
it in the spring. Uh so that that lines
up with what we had been told
preliminarily, but uh it was good to get
confirmation in writing that they're
still on track there.
>> So that's
>> Yeah. Well, that's Yeah, I think they
were talking about awarding a contract
in September, which would lead them to
start construction probably, you know, a
few months after that.
>> Okay.
>> So, do you think that'll be this year or
>> um I I think they'll start some of the
work this year. I don't know that
they'll do the paving this year. It's
going to depend on the weather.
>> Okay. Okay. Because I was concerned
about the uh striping of the road and um
we're going to have to pass ordinances
to put the EV charging station in. I
don't know if they're aware of that.
>> Yeah, I believe we were in communication
with them about that uh a while ago.
They're
>> Sorry. Um
>> Oh, we lost you.
>> Yeah, that
Yeah. Um, sorry. We were uh we have the
they're doing some of the EV charging
stations, I believe, over at the transit
station and then the ones that we had on
Philadelphia Avenue, we had communicated
with um the county at least
preliminarily. I don't know if
agreements got finalized or not.
So, we'll have to pick that back up and
make sure. I I believe most of the work
that we were doing was behind the curb
line. So, I don't know that the repaving
would have a significant impact, but we
want to make sure
>> we have to stripe the the road and put
the, you know, symbols in for EVs and uh
we'll also have to pass an ordinance
that you can't park there unless you're
charging your vehicle,
>> right? You have to designate them. I
believe it's green striping that goes
down to accommodate up, but they should
be aware of that. So, we don't want to
have them to come back a second time and
do it. So,
>> yeah.
the BPU to give us the money to do it
because I don't know what the hell
happened, but that was two years ago.
>> Yeah, it seems to be in a state of limbo
at the moment, but it would be nice to
to get it moved forward and get it to
the finish line.
>> Ryan, I had uh two two questions.
>> Uh one, I well, first I wanted to say
thank you. The sidewalk is in on Beetho
um yeah, Beethoven Avenue and um Boston
over there by the Moravian Church. It
looks great. And the other thing I
wanted to ask you in that same area on
Beethoven Avenue, um it would be there
there's wire, black wire, and it has
been hanging there for the longest time
and it's on the north side of the
street. Um would that be cable on the
north side of the street? Do you know?
>> So, there's a couple of possibilities.
Um if it's been hanging for any period
of time, it's not Atlantic Electric
because they have to fix it immediately.
It's probably either Verizon with their
um their old like terrestrial landline
service, the copper wiring or Comcast um
with their service.
>> So, it's it's possible it's Yeah, it's
either of them would be wrapped in like
a a black um coating, but it it's hard
without getting eyes on it's hard to
know which one it would be.
>> Um
>> so, but if I mean, next time I'm in
town, I can I can get out and take a
look and notify the property utility
company. Yeah, because it's it's been
there for quite some time now and it's
there's quite a bit of it. I mean, it's
in, you know, in circles.
>> Well, yeah, a lot of times they'll leave
like a coil somewhere so that they have
the ability to extend it later and
sometimes those come undone and then you
end up with just a giant mess hanging
down. So, maybe that's possibility
>> probably. Thank you.
>> Sure.
>> Anything else, Ryan?
>> Unless anybody else has any other
questions.
>> Anybody else?
All right, seeing none, we'll go to
number 13. It's a resolution
acknowledging and approving the
completion and submitt of an application
to the New Jersey EDA for the award of
the HDSRF grant in the amount of
$120,143
for Mosville Road Landfill
SI and RI. Um,
>> motion motion.
>> Second. Motion.
>> Okay. Motion has been made and seconded.
Any questions on the motion?
Roll call, please.
>> Doy,
>> yes.
>> Galloway,
>> yes.
>> Heist,
>> yes.
>> Pessie,
>> yes.
>> Gener,
>> yes.
>> Sen,
>> yes.
>> Timbers,
>> yes.
>> And right.
>> Okay. Right.
>> Mr. Right.
>> He's playing football.
>> Resolution passes.
>> Yeah, you can just mark it as a statute.
>> All right. Uh resolution number 14 uh on
the agenda authorizing the use of the
Internal Revenue Service Standard
Business Min.
>> I make a motion.
>> Second. Motion has been made and
seconded. Questions?
What is the rate? Do you know, Jody?
>> Hold on. Let me Sorry. Let me I don't
have the resolution in front. Jackie, do
you have that?
>> At 72.5 cents per mile.
>> Okay. Thanks, Jackie.
>> Welcome.
>> Thank you.
>> No,
>> yes.
>> Galloway.
>> Yes.
>> Heist.
>> Yes.
Pessie,
>> yes.
>> Kenir,
>> yes.
>> Sen,
>> yes.
>> Timbers,
>> yes.
>> And Mr. Wright,
>> yes.
>> Okay. Resolution passes. Number 15.
Resolution authorizing Remington and
Bernick to submit a grant application
and execute a grant contract with the
New Jersey DOT for the fiscal year 2027
municipal aid.
So move.
>> Second.
>> Motion has been made and seconded. Is
there questions?
Roll call, please.
>> Dovy,
>> yes.
>> Galloway,
>> yes.
>> Heist,
>> yes.
>> Pessie,
>> yes.
>> Kenir,
>> yes.
>> Sen,
>> yes.
>> Timbers,
>> yes.
>> And Wright,
>> yes.
That resolution passes 16. Resolution
change order number one, NJ dot fiscal
year 2024, reconstruction of Buffalo
Avenue supplemental work and reduction.
Reduction sounds like a good word.
>> Yeah, it's a lot.
>> It's actually a zero zero dollar change
order, I believe. Right.
>> Okay.
>> Is there Is there a motion?
>> Make a motion.
>> All right. Motion has been made and
seconded. Questions on the motion?
Roll call, please.
>> Doy,
>> yes.
>> Galloway,
>> yes.
>> Heist.
>> Miss,
>> yes.
>> Pessie,
>> yes.
>> Kenir,
>> yes.
>> Sen,
>> yes.
>> Timbers,
>> yes.
>> And Wright,
>> yes.
>> Resolution passes. Number 17 is a
resolution to renew the EMS agreement
with Galloway Township EMS for four
years.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah, I second that.
>> Motion has been made and seconded. Is
there questions?
>> Just have one question. What What was it
this past year? I see what it is the the
this year and the other year.
>> 5% more than what it was. So it's always
been 5% prior like 25.
>> Yes,
>> pretty much.
>> Okay.
Roll call, please.
>> Yes.
>> Galloway,
>> yes.
>> Heist,
>> yes.
>> Pessie,
>> yes.
>> Kener,
>> yes.
>> Sen,
>> yes.
>> Timbers,
>> yes.
>> And Wright,
>> yes.
Resolution passes. Number 18, resolution
to refund 2026
second quarter property taxes due to a
100% disabled veteran status case
2026-04
for $1,54526.
>> I'll make the motion.
>> Second.
>> Motion has been made and seconded.
Questions?
Roll call? Oh, no. Yeah, roll call.
Dovy,
>> yes.
>> Galloway,
>> yes.
>> Yes.
>> Pessie,
>> yes.
>> Kenir,
>> yes.
>> Sen,
>> yes.
>> Timbers,
>> yes.
>> Emrite,
>> yes.
>> Resolution passes. Number 19, resolution
authorizing the refund of a $150
tree removal permit fee.
>> Motion.
Second.
>> Motion made and seconded. Questions?
Roll call, please.
>> Doy,
>> yes.
>> Galloway,
>> yes.
>> Heist,
>> yes.
>> Pessie,
>> yes.
>> Kenir,
>> yes.
>> Sen,
>> yes.
>> Members,
>> yes.
>> And right,
>> Mr. Wright.
Resolution,
>> Mr. Wright.
>> Okay, resolution passes.
Um,
number 20 is a resolution for Plenary
Retail Consumption Licenses. Joe Daz
Beverage LLC,
uh, Jinaros, that that's who that is.
NAFA
Incorporated, Harbor Diner,
and so are these liquor licenses?
>> Yeah.
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
>> I have a page to Yeah, that's it. So,
those two. Is there a motion?
>> Make the motion.
>> Second.
>> Motion has been made and seconded.
>> I guess we need a roll call this
>> Doby.
>> Yes.
Galloway.
>> Yes.
>> Heist.
Heist.
>> Heist.
>> Yes.
>> Essie.
>> Yes.
>> Kenir.
>> Yes.
>> Sen.
>> Yes.
>> Timbers.
>> Yes.
>> Emry.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. That resolution passes. Number 21
is resolution authorizing a one-year
extension of an inactive plenary retail
consumption license set to expire on
August 1st, 2026
pursuant to that statute.
>> Make the motion.
>> Second.
>> Motion made and seconded.
Uh, roll call, please.
>> I just have one question. Didn't Didn't
we already vote on this in May 21st, 26?
We renewed it.
>> Um the city clerk is going to explain to
you.
>> Um yes, we did renew it. That was the
regular renewal, but um the state passed
new uh regulations, the ABC shall I say,
that licenses that have not been active
in a certain amount of time would
expire. They never had that before. And
um there's really no guidance because
it's new. So the state said if you can
prove or if the the own the lency can
prove that they're actively trying to
market the license sell it um you can
pass a resolution to extend it for a
year. So they did prove they sent me a
realer agreement that they have been
actively trying to sell the license.
>> Okay. to did you say to did did they say
to whom who they might be actively
trying to sell?
>> No, I said it's listed with a realtor
and they're actively trying to sell the
license.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> Okay. Um, do we need a roll call on
that? Jackie,
>> no.
>> All in favor?
>> I
>> Okay, eyes have it. Number 22,
resolution authorizing an agreement with
the Jersey Professional Management for
Temporary Acting Public Works Director.
>> I'll make that motion.
>> Second.
>> Motion has been made and seconded. Are
there questions on the motion?
>> Seeing none, roll call.
>> I have a question.
>> Okay.
>> No, I have a question.
>> Go ahead. Go ahead. Sorry, I'm out here.
It takes a little bit longer for me to
my voice to get all the way into you
guys. Um,
$95 an hour for a temporary employee. I
don't believe any of our city employees
make that much money. And who decided to
hire this person? Was this taken to
committee prior to this being decided?
because it was on the agenda yesterday
or the day before and public works met
last night.
>> So, I'm a little confused at the process
if we're a committee run.
>> This has been going on for a while. This
process has been going on for a while
with the committee.
>> Well, I know I got an email from the man
asking to speak to me. I told him when I
was available and I never heard from him
again. I don't know why. I don't know if
if that's a party thing. I am not sure.
But no one I told him when I was
available. Never heard from him. So I
didn't even have a say in what we what
we needed. However, that's you know what
not the main thing. I'm just Where did
the $95 come from? That's just totally
blows my mind.
>> Mr. Dovy, you want to explain?
>> Well, this is that's not how much.
First of all, he's not going to be a
direct employee. We're hiring uh
the uh Jersey Professional Management
and they are providing this this
gentleman for three months. Um for those
hours outlined in in the resolution and
the explanation of of of that uh we are
in a in a bind. uh we outlined uh
basically Jerry's gone at the end of the
month and uh we will not have anybody in
place with the
u necessary u requirements and
certifications and professional um
standing
unless we have somebody in place. So
when we met with uh Jersey Professional
Management a couple months ago in the
pursuit of a replacement for
administrator,
one of the issues we brought up was
um that we would be u a short a a public
works supervisor and u and um they
indicated he indicated that they would
he would provide somebody. he would
attempt to provide somebody. And about a
week and a half ago, uh the we we met
via Zoom with this gentleman and he has
all the experience necessary.
>> He's not looking.
>> Pardon?
>> You say we I'm asking who is we? the
finance committee
because it was a part of the larger
discussion of of the of the business
administrator position and um we
recommended it but we were waiting for
uh the actual um contract or proposal
which we just got a couple days ago and
it was put in the and that's when I
scheduled a public works committee
meeting um and I did meet last night um
with um Mason first and then Joe uh
around the fire truck arrival and went
over uh the details.
>> But where did the N I'm the $95 come
from? Is part of that going to him and
part of this is going to this um company
who's supplying him?
>> So he's not pocketing $95.
>> So what is his hourly rate?
We don't know. We're hi We're not hiring
him. We're hiring JPM and this is the
person that's going to do the work for
the first for three months.
>> So we're paying JPM $95 to supply this
person and we have no idea how much
they're paying this person.
>> No,
>> it is in a nutshell.
>> It's not a it is an allin number for the
$95. So, um, we don't have to pay any
benefits or any kind of, uh, vacations,
holidays, any of that that would go into
someone's salary. So, if you, if for
example, you hire somebody for $60,000
to do a job and the benefit package on
top of that is probably somewhere
between 35 and 40%.
You're talking,
>> but we're hiring him for three days a
week, so he would not receive a benefit
package. So that doesn't even come into
the mid of this. He's not hired
full-time. Hired between 18 and 25 hours
a week. Therefore, he wouldn't be
entitled to a benefit package.
>> Well, he's we still they still have to
pay his social security disability and
all the New Jersey state taxes, okay,
which adds up. And I don't know the
exact number, but maybe Jody does.
>> And this is not an apples to apples
comparison when you look at it that way.
So, u we have a person for three months.
We're able to see how this person works,
how they uh interact with our employees
and how they handle the job. And it's a
three month test pretty much. And at the
end of three months, we have options.
And one of the options is we can
continue to work with JPM with this
person being their employee working for
us at a reduced rate, not at the $95.
That's a starting three-month program
just to get to know this guy, see how he
operates, see what his his abilities
are. And then we can either continue at
a negotiated rate later uh through JPM
or we can talk to this gentleman uh
about coming to work for us and
negotiating his salary at that point. Uh
or we could say, "Hey, this isn't
working out. Have a good life." You
know, move on. And then we we go in a
different direction. So it's
>> I think the other Joe the other
important point is is we are still have
not interviewed candidates um for the uh
administrator position. So one of those
candidates may have public works
experience and we may not need a public
works uh supervisor much like where the
situation we had with Jerry. So
>> personally that didn't that didn't work
last time. So personally I don't even
that think that should be on the books
because that didn't work last time Jerry
to do both positions. Where's Jerry now?
>> It didn't work.
>> I don't think I I I don't think the
reasons Jerry is moving on or resigned
has anything to do with his ability or a
person's ability to manage both
positions. So
>> that's correct.
>> That's that's very that's true. That's
very true.
>> I So,
>> and Jerry, please don't take it wrong. I
didn't say you didn't have the ability
to do it. I said it didn't work because
you are now moving on.
>> They were my words. I didn't say you
didn't have the ability.
>> It wasn't related.
>> Never know what's going to happen
tomorrow. It's like that's life. Things
change. We have a opening there. We need
somebody in there. We got to do this.
And uh I I have experience with this
company JPM. They pay a lot more in
other towns, like $130 an hour. So, I
think uh we just we just need to bite
the bullet and do this so that we can
continue uh sweeping the streets and
taking care of stuff we got to take care
of.
>> So, in September,
are we going to re-evaluate this?
>> Is it going to go to the committee or is
it going to finance or is it going to
public works? I mean, I would think it
should be public works and then go to
finance.
>> That could that could be
>> well decision
to do it is going to be a collective
decision between finance because it's
going to relate to
who and when we get an administrator or
if we get an administrator
um in in the next few months. So, it's
going to relate to that that this is to
get us literally through the summer with
somebody with supervisory experience
position knows this. This gentleman has
extensive experience in running public
works departments at the municipal level
here in South Jersey. Large large and
and less than large. Um, he knows what
to do. He knows how to manage people and
he he is aware of the size of our and
and the responsibilities of our uh
public works department. He's he's
actually ideal
>> except you never know anybody who's
ideal until it it it plays out um as you
do with every new hire. But on paper and
in personality and in the brief time we
had to meet him. Uh he fits the bill. Um
we cannot go into the summer without
adequate supervision of the public works
department.
>> I I agree with you there. I just want to
make sure that we go back and
re-evaluate this and see what we're
paying them. And that's why I thought
public works should have the first say
whether he's working or not and whether
things are getting done and specific
>> the public works
>> will have that.
>> And did the public works members of the
public works committee review his um his
>> resume?
>> Absolutely not.
>> Yes. I did not.
>> So, Mason, you didn't get it yesterday.
>> No, I mean, we talked for five minutes
about it about that. But, like I said,
I'm I'm still on the board about like I
don't know how we're going to hire
somebody that we never met. Like, I
don't get that. Like, it just does not
make no sense to me. Like, how we're
just going to have some company say, "Oh
yeah, this guy fits you. We're hire him
for 3 months." We don't even know what
this guy I mean, did anybody interview
this guy? Did anybody talk to this guy?
Does anybody know any background on this
guy? I mean, I don't know.
>> Well, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I
think you missed the the beginning of
the conversation. Yes, there was a
formal interview with the finance
committee and Rick,
>> I heard that, but I'm saying, but he was
never
>> Excuse me. Excuse me. Rick happens to be
on the
>> um
>> you were you are the only member of the
public works department that didn't
participate in the interview. it
happened during the day when you're
unavailable. Um, as I said last night, I
will give you I will give you an
opportunity uh you will have the
opportunity to meet him
soon if this uh resolution if this
agreement is approved
before
>> and that's one of the issues council all
meetings are done during the day. So if
you're there's a reason for that older,
you don't get to come to the meetings
because you're not retired yet.
>> That's a bunch of BS in my opinion.
>> Everybody got to talk because a job
going out to work to support his family.
You can shake your head all you want,
Rick, but that's the way it works.
>> That's the way it works.
>> Every public works, every public works
interview for the last ones were all
done at night. Now all of a sudden they
gota be done in the afternoon.
>> No, not all of a sudden. the last nine
years that I've been on council commit
things went to committee before they
went to council all of a sudden there's
three four people making all the
decisions and it's not going to
committee and people need to be aware of
that this is a town run by committees by
a council of nine not by a council of
three or four people
and that's all I have to say and I will
be voting no
>> okay Any other questions?
Okay, we have a
we have a motion. Did we Did we get a
motion on that?
>> I made the motion.
>> Okay, so we have the discussion. We need
roll call, please.
>> Doy,
>> yes.
>> Galloway,
>> yes.
>> Heist,
>> no.
>> Pessie,
>> yes.
Kenir,
>> yes.
>> Sen,
>> yes.
>> Timbers,
>> yes.
>> And right.
>> Only reason I'm inviting no is because I
never met the guy. I can't hire somebody
that I've never met. Sorry.
>> What's the vote,
>> Jackie?
>> Oh, I'm sorry. It passed.
>> Okay.
>> It's um
>> two, two, three, four, five. Two nos.
Six. chesses.
>> Okay. Okay, that passes. Number 23,
resolution authorizing to enter into a
contract with Remington and Bernick
engineers for planning and design
services for a Carver City High Bank
storm water improvements. As writing,
>> I'll make that motion.
>> Second.
>> Motion has been made and seconded.
Questions?
>> Roll call, please.
>> Dovy,
>> yes. Galloway.
>> Yes.
>> Heist.
Heist.
>> Sorry, I couldn't unmute. Yes.
>> Hessie,
>> yes.
>> Kenir,
>> yes.
>> Sen,
>> yes.
>> Timbers,
>> yes.
>> And Wright,
>> yes.
>> Okay, resolution passes. Number 24,
resolution authorizing the A Carver City
Land Use Board to conduct a preliminary
investigation to determine whether block
101, lot one, block 609, lots 1 and 7,
block 632, lots 1 and 16, block 705,
lots 1, 7.02,
8.02, 16, 27.02, and 28.02 02 or any
part thereof qualifies for designation
as an area in need of redevelopment
without condemnation
pursuant to NJSA 4812-86
>> motion
>> well
where where physically are we talking
>> we have a motion seconded go ahead Scott
>> so physically where where are we talking
here
>> just below So the industrial park.
>> Okay.
>> It's the old land. It's lots around the
industrial park
>> in between the industrial park and hers.
>> Yeah.
I can give you a little
>> So this is this is the extension of um
the landfill redevelopment uh for the
property that uh that Jeff D is working
on that the committee that council's
already authorized. there's additional
lots um that were incorporated. So, the
original resolution or the original
ordinance had to be amended. A
resolution had to be amended to include
the additional lots.
>> Okay. Very well.
Any other questions?
Okay. Um
roll call. Right.
>> Dovy.
>> Yes.
>> Galloway.
>> Yes.
>> Heist.
>> Yes. Jack, you got to look up so you can
shake my head.
>> Okay. Essie,
>> yes.
>> Kener,
>> yes.
>> Sen,
>> yes.
>> Timbers,
>> yes.
>> I'm right.
>> Yes.
>> Resolution passes. Number 25 is the bill
list. Motion to pay the bills.
>> Make a motion.
>> Second.
>> Motion has been made and seconded.
Questions on the bills.
>> Roll call.
>> Dovy.
>> Yes.
>> Galloway.
>> Yes.
>> Heist.
>> Yes.
>> Cessy.
>> Yes.
>> Kenir,
>> yes.
>> Sen,
>> yes.
>> Timbers,
>> yes.
>> Emrite,
>> yes.
>> Those are paid. Number 26, public
comment. Is there anyone in the public
wish to be heard? Anyone
in the public wish to be heard?
>> Hi. Yes, I me.
>> Okay, please state your name.
>> Hi, my name is Yes. My name is Riann
Clark and I'm actually from Millville,
New Jersey and I'm on the call tonight
uh because I am a member of Sustain SJ
and we among other things are interested
in responsible land development and I
wanted to just have a conversation
tonight if I could. I had a couple
questions for you guys. I wanted to know
um I've been on the website. I've seen
that you guys I've read through all of
the project outlines on the uh uh excuse
me the economic development uh project
profiles and so I wanted to know if
there has been any interest or
application put through by any uh tech
companies in regards to any data center
development.
>> No, there has not. No.
>> Okay. Um, and then I was just wondering
if
>> just so you know, we don't have the land
mass for something like that here.
>> Great. Um, so would it be uh would would
there be someone that I could send to uh
an email to with some example ordinances
banning data center development um as
well as uh moratoriums if you weren't
looking to do something quite as final?
We're actually um we've been discussing
the idea of sending th this idea of what
you're talking about to our land use
board for their consideration and
getting their feedback before we do any
any ordinance or resolution to
moratorum.
>> So that's that's been advised to
>> Sure. Could I would you guys be
interested in reading some example
ordinances and moratoriums?
>> We we have one from Gowi Township that
we're looking at. Thanks.
>> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You from which
township?
>> Goway township.
>> Sorrying
community. Yeah.
If I can just make a suggestion, the uh
ordinance passed in Millville was a very
comprehensive uh well-written ordinance
and uh Hamilton Township um Maze Landing
has a great example of a temporary
moratorum if you wanted to put something
in place while you guys kind of work
through the issue that would kind of
field off uh any potential legal threat
of anything you do being retaliatory. if
an application were to come in while you
guys kind of work through the issue.
>> Yeah, we're familiar with the uh with
the Hamilton Township one as well.
>> We're looking.
>> Excellent. Thank you.
>> Great. Thank you so much. I will
continue to follow along with the land
use the land use board as well. Thank
you.
>> Okay. Thank you.
Anyone else wish to be heard?
>> Hi. Yes. Um my name is Raone Mora Jr.
Um, I am a violent resident. I care
about what's happening with my neighbors
and I'm also running for Congress. And I
say that because I'm here at this town
council session right now because people
have brought up concerns that projects
unfolding in Egg Harbor uh city,
particularly around the redevelopment um
projects might become future data center
projects. Um,
>> the data centers,
>> these lots are tiny. These lots are
tiny. There's no data center coming to
Egg Harbor City. I hate to tell you that
>> you have a lot of you have a lot of
issues with data centers in in Egg
Harbor City. One is they don't have the
land mass. Two is most of the property
that they do have is wetlands um and
wetlands restricted and then on top of
that you also have uh pine lands u
pineands restrictions. So the we are
studying the issue. Um we are um going
to have the uh land use board take a
look at it. um uh to make sure that our
master plan um is compliant
um with with all the regulations which
would and and above that but I think
practically speaking I think as um the
council president stated earlier um the
practicality of of something that
happened in Egg Harbor Township is is
very very limited but we are reviewing
the issue we understand the concerns of
the public.
>> Yeah. So I I understand I used to drive
through and around um at Carver City a
lot when I went to work at Atlanticare.
Um so I know like the space is tight. Um
these data center uh AI data center
projects they will take any space that
they can possibly get to um help build
out their infrastructure. So with that,
you know, I would implore you to get
ahead of the situation before the
situation comes barging through your
streets in any capacity. Um, you do not
want this type of uh facility in your
town, even if it is a small one. Um, it
is, uh, facilitating the promotion of
job loss in South Jersey. Um, in Carese
Point, not a, you know, not a very big
town themselves. Um, they are having a
lot of job loss related to AI powered
robotics. Um, so, and that's over in
Carese Point, you know, that's not too
far from us. um and well from you guys
in uh Egg Harbor City. Um the
environmental implications as I'm sure
you guys are aware of um with the whole
violin controversy um should be alarming
enough but if not you just have to think
about like you know supporting any type
of uh infrastructure for these AI data
centers even if it is a small um scale
one is going to cause a massive
unemployment crisis in our area as a
whole. Right? So I would urge you guys
to act expeditiously in implementing
either a moratorum as you said you're
aware of or a ban to prevent what is
happening over at Monroe. Um that way
you know it doesn't affect you guys and
your residents and in the most densely
populated state in America. We really
don't need these type of facilities
here. Um and it would give you know
something something like this would give
your planning board and your zoning
board your land use board um more teeth
should an application come in. They have
more um grounding to reject the
application uh without any type of
prejudice. So, um, that's pretty much
>> So, ultimately though,
it's the council of this city that will
decide
whether or not one of these things comes
in here. Correct. It's up to us, right?
I mean,
>> Google can't come in and declare that
they're going to build a data center,
right? So, I see what you're saying
though
to have something preemptive in place so
that when it is rejected,
you can have all your dots,
you know, dotted, your tees crossed,
there's something there before. I I I
don't know the ins and the outs of that,
but I can't say that that sounds like a
bad idea, you know.
>> Okay. Um, so what is a bad idea though
is an application coming through your
residents not really wanting it and um
and then you guys try to implement
something after the fact. Um, that's
what
>> that's my point. I I I think I
appreciate what you're saying.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look, we we we
understand the issue and I'm actively
working on uh documents to put in front
of the board that that they'll have a
chance to consider, but we we are also
mindful of, for example, hospital
systems have uh what you would consider
a data center inside the hospital system
for document storage facilities. So, we
we we don't want to be reactionary and
do something that would hurt uh that
would hurt development that the city
would like to see. So, we're working
through different resolutions and
different ordinances and different ways
to to protect the residents and protect
the and protect the city from
a use that wouldn't necessarily be
wanted, but mindful that um a lot of the
ordinances and a lot of the resolutions
that I've read are very sloppy and and
put together not in uh not in a good
way, which would if read technically
would ban, for example, a hospital or a
doctor's office from opening up with
with a data center, a law office, for
example, um with server rooms, which
would be considered a data center. So,
we we we we hear you. Um we heard the
other lady as well. I can tell you that
we are actively working on this um and
we're we're being mindful and how we
craft it so to meet all the objectives
and the goals.
>> And I I appreciate that, Christopher. Um
I was actually at the maze landing uh
council meeting when they were talking
about that same point for their
moratorum. Um just to push back on that
a little bit there is a clear
distinction between data center and AI
data centers. Um, furthermore, every
even if you have a ban on the books, um,
every business technically has the legal
right to come to uh, city council, the
planning board, and ask for a variance,
at which point uh, you could go ahead
and grant that variance for regular data
centers as well. I just wanted to make
sure that you knew that there was an
absolute distinction between the AI data
centers that are affecting and people
are um you know rallying against and
data centers that nobody really has had
a problem with up to uh this point. Um
so there is there is
>> we appreciate you coming on and voicing
your opinion. Thank you.
>> Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you so
much for your time.
>> Thanks ma'am. Yep.
>> Anyone else wish to be heard?
Seeing none, we will go to the mayor for
a final com.
>> Um, I don't really have anything to add
other than what I already said, but I
did want to clear be clear. I think I
switched the playground location. The
playground with the shade structure is
definitely Buffalo Avenue Kaboom
playground. But everybody enjoy your
holiday.
>> Thank you.
Okay. Um,
Mr. Right.
>> He's not on.
>> I got nothing.
>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Timbers.
Uh,
>> I just want to wish everyone a happy
fourth.
>> Thank you.
And Mr. said,
>> "Yeah, just happy 4th everyone. I'll be
in West Virginia on a motorcycle ride,
so uh I'll be thinking about all of you
um while I'm taking in the beautiful
state of West Virginia." So,
>> be safe out there. All right.
>> Yeah. Hey, my my
>> Don't worry about me.
>> I I ride as if I I assume I'm invisible.
>> Yeah.
>> So, that's the I'll be okay. Thank you.
Happy fourth.
>> All right. Thank you, Miss Hessie. Mrs.
Hassie,
>> uh, for all of you who will not be in
West Virginia and be in Egg Harbor City,
uh, I hear there they will be ringing
ringing the bell 13 times for our 13
colonies. Is this correct? And I I'm not
sure what time it was. Was it 3?
>> It's Kim, it's Hold on.
>> 3:50 or 3:5?
>> 2:30. 2 o'clock. I forget.
>> I can't hear you, Lisa.
You're you're muted.
>> Two. Can you hear me now?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> 250
p.m. for the 250 years.
>> Okay.
>> And the church, we have three uh three
churches, I believe, maybe four in the
fire department that's going to
participate. And certainly the residents
are able to participate if they'd like.
If you have a bell at home, you want to
go out and ring it. So, it's 13 times at
250 on the 4th of July.
>> Okay. Thanks.
>> And happy 4th of July to everyone.
>> Solid. Thanks.
>> Thank you, Mrs. Heist.
>> Just happy 4th of July to everyone.
Enjoy your holiday and be safe.
>> Thank you, Mrs. Galloway.
>> Same. Happy 4th.
>> Mr. Dovy. Um h happy fourth to everyone.
Um I also want to thank Jerry for his
service over the last year and a half.
Appreciate it. A lot of things were
accomplished. I wish you the best in the
future and um we'll we'll meet up again
I'm sure.
>> Thank you.
>> Uh there there is a upcoming meeting
uh it's during the day Monday with the
ACA. their com their collection
contracts with the city
uh for yard waste collection, trash
collection, and recycling. There are
three separate contracts are up at the
end of August. At their request, they
have uh they want to meet with the uh
finance committee and Jody on on Monday.
So, at I think it's 1:00 we're meeting
at city hall and they're going to go
over their proposed contract going
forward.
>> The 29th
this 29th
>> 29th
>> time
>> 29th one.
>> So, anybody who wants to make it,
they're welcome to come, but we can't
have more than three.
Four. We can have four.
Okay. Anything else?
Anything else, Rick?
>> No, that's it.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um I'm the one left. I
have to say that it I haven't made it um
a secret that I was a supporter of Jerry
uh and his time with us and that the
things that he's done with us over the
last year and a half. Uh, I think we've
made a lot of progress in a lot of areas
>> and I remember from day one at the
highway garage when we walked in there
and uh we had a a snowstorm bearing down
on us and uh Jerry went right to work
and u I appreciated that back then and
I've appreciated a lot of the things
that he's done since then and uh I for
one am going to miss you Jerry. I thank
you for the time that you've been here.
>> Thank you.
>> And I wish you all the best
>> in what you do in the future.
>> I'll be back. You know, you know about
the D stuff, so I'll be back.
>> Good. Good. And And can I just chime
into Thank you, Jerry. Um the few times
that I've called on you
uh for things I've noticed around town,
especially that tree removal out of the
stream on uh Burger Street. Um anyway,
thank you and uh best of luck to you.
Okay,
>> thank you.
>> I would also I would also like to say
something Joe if that's all right
>> thank you. It was nice working with you
and yes got a lot done in code
>> and thank you for everything that you
did up until we had to stop.
>> Thank you.
>> Okay, Jerry,
>> is there any comments you have? Uh
>> no. I I'll send the final email to
staff. Uh I I and and I'll copy all of
council. Yeah.
>> Well, again, appreciate you know your
time here and wish you the best.
>> Yep. Thank you very much. Thanks.
>> Is there a motion to return?
>> Motion.
>> Second.
>> All in favor?
>> I
>> opposed.
Eyes have it.
>> Okay.
>> We are journ.
>> Good night everyone.
>> Good night.
Lettering.