6/16/26 Land Use Board Meeting

record or however you want to do that.
I'd like to call the meeting to order
with a
flag salute.
>> Uh oh, there
>> I got something across my
There we go.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
republic for its one nation under God,
indivisible with liberty and justice for
all.
>> All right. Uh
June 16th, 2026, this meeting was
advertised pursuant to the New Jersey
Open Public Meetings Act. Notices were
sent out to official publications for
the A Carver City Municipal Land Use
Board, the Press of Atlantic City, and
the Hamilton Gazette. A copy of the
notice was posted on the bulletin board
of the A Carbor City Municipal Building.
Will we please enter that into the
minutes?
>> Yes.
>> And a roll call, please.
>> Mayor Jim Petty
>> here.
>> Mr. Timbers.
Mr. Gar
Mr. G
>> here.
>> Mr. Peterson
>> here.
>> Mr. McKenna
>> here.
>> Mr. Walker,
>> Mr. Walker
>> here,
>> and Mr. Hess
>> here.
>> All right. I'd like to have a motion for
the approval of the minutes from May
19th, 2026. Do I have a motion?
>> So moved.
>> All in favor? I
>> I
>> opposed.
All right, the motion carries.
We have no resolutions tonight, so we're
going to move right down to new
business. We have an application 2026-02
1018 White Horse Pike LLC. Would you uh
step forward and be sworn in, please?
>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh Bob Roberto,
can you hear us?
>> Okay. Um
>> for Roberto and Bob Bruce. Okay.
>> If uh you gentlemen are both appearing
by phone uh on Zoom, if you would where
you are, raise your right hand. And do
you solemnly swear or affirm testimony
you're about to provide this evening
will be the truth, the whole truth, and
nothing but the truth. So help you God.
>> Yes.
We got another one.
Is Bob having tech technical
difficulties? Tom, can he hear us?
>> I responded. I said yes.
>> Okay, you said yes. Okay, I got you,
Bob.
>> Okay,
>> being sworn. Uh, Mr. Darcy,
>> thank you. Uh, good evening, gentlemen.
Uh, Mr. Chairman, uh, Mayor, this is,
uh, application 2026-02.
Uh, the property is located at 1018
White Horse Pike, uh, block 526,
lot 1820 and 21. Uh, I represent Roberto
Perez. Uh, he's the managing member of
1018 White Horse Pike LLC, who is the
current owner of this property. Uh
Roberto bought this uh early in 2025.
Uh we do have a conforming certificate
of filing from Pinelands. Their
application number is 2025-0190.
one um the uh the only condition that
was contained in the certificate of
filing was that the Pineelands
Commission is requiring that we are
going to merge these two lots by a
consolidation deed. So lots 18 20 and 21
uh will be consolidated by deed. uh I'll
contact the assessor uh and uh uh get
the new lot number and we'll provide
evidence of the recording of that deed
in the Atlantic County Clerk's Office uh
to Donna for your permanent file. Uh
this is an application for site plan a
preliminary and final site plan approval
for the property. We are proposing um a
uh commercial use on the first floor of
the existing building. Uh this is an old
building was built in 1920. It's located
near highway commercial zone. So the uh
we're proposing a tattoo parlor there.
So that service is a permitted use in
the uh in the HC zone. We are also
proposing a second floor residential use
and we were not 100% certain whether or
not that would be permitted in the zone.
uh your engineer has issued a report
indicating that in his opinion, although
there is some language in your ordinance
that suggests that uh second floor
residential uses uh are encouraged in
certain ways, in this particular zone,
the second uh uh second floor
residential use can only be a permitted
use if it's for senior citizen housing.
And we were not we were not proposing
that. So the uh the application for the
second floor residential use would
require a use variance and because
that requires a super majority of five
preferable votes
um uh we would like uh the board's
cooperation to allow us to uh continue
that aspect of the application uh to the
next board meeting without further
notice and hopefully at that time uh we
will have seven voting members uh to
hear and decide on the use variance
application uh only. So, if it's
agreeable with the board and your
solicitor, I'd like to limit tonight's
uh application to just the preliminary
and final site plan approval for the
tattoo parlor on the first floor of the
existing structure. Uh is does that
sound workable to the board?
>> Uh Ryan, are are you good with that,
Ryan?
Yeah, I think that makes perfect sense.
Um because the the site plan um is sort
of independent from the use variance for
the residential second floor site plan
is parking, landscaping and circulation
and things like that. So I think that
any issues that would arise from the
second floor residential could be dealt
with separately when we have a second.
>> Any comments from the board on that?
Tom, uh, before you go, uh, chairman,
uh, Tom, I just want to ask you when you
noticed,
uh, and I'm sorry, I'm Gary bring it up
now to confirm, but did you notice for a
Dvarian?
>> Yes, we did indicate in the in the
notice that there was a question about
what type of variance would be necessary
for that.
>> So, so, uh, we would ask the board if we
could get a continuence, uh, without
further notice. that uh Mr. Chairman
that would be acceptable for my purposes
uh since it was noticed that we can
announce at the ne for the next meeting
that this application will be continued.
>> Okay. Thank you, Damon. Is there anybody
from the board that would like to
comment on that?
No comments. Okay. So, I guess we'll go
with that then. We'll go with the next
meeting. We'll do the rest of it.
>> Thank you, board members. Uh thank you,
Damon. Uh what I'm going to do is uh
we'll do BCM to do a brief overview of
the existing conditions and then we'll
get Bob Bruce uh brought into the uh the
mix here and Bob will explain the
proposed improvements uh that we're
proposing for this site.
>> You want me to share my screen so you
can see the plans?
>> I'm sorry.
>> You want me to share? I have the plans
pulled up. You want me to share my
screen so I can pl
>> Uh yeah, that would be great. Thank you.
Right.
>> Do we need a motion from the board to
move the uh the variance application to
the next meeting or
>> we could do Okay, I'll do a a motion on
that. Does anyone have a motion to to
motion?
>> I'll offer the motion. Todd,
>> second.
>> I'll second it.
>> Okay. All All in favor? I
>> I
improve appro uh uh uh anybody against
that?
Okay. It's it's uh so be it. We'll do it
that way.
>> Okay. That and that was a motion to
bifurcate the application.
>> So
>> yes, the next meeting.
>> Yep. Yes.
>> Okay. Uh so you can see on the screen
here, this is uh site plan sheet one. Uh
that's part of Bob Roose's site plan uh
that he submitted to the board. Sort of
in the center left, you can see that the
property uh fronts on the White Horse
Pike and has frontage on Boston Avenue
and also has frontage on the uh alley,
the 30 foot wide terrace. And the
structure itself uh exists uh and is
located on the terrace. Would you would
Ryan would you be able to switch to
sheet? There we go. sheet two. Uh,
>> zoom in 72.
>> This this shows the this shows the
proposed conditions, but I'll just desri
I'll describe what's existing. Uh, tent
Terrace is a uh improved uh city street.
Uh, you can see the commercial building
uh located fronts on the terrace. It has
a uh pre-existing nonconforming front
yard. uh that's a uh existing condition
which is protected uh under statute
because it predates the ordinance. Uh so
uh we have if the board is inclined that
they want to grant a variance uh to to
uh completely legalize that. I'll leave
that up to the board and council. But
again uh uh it's a it's a pre-existing
non-conforming condition. Uh you can see
on the sketch that Ryan has up there's a
parking lot and a driveway that runs
from Boston Avenue to Tent Terrace that
that are new improvements. Uh the
existing driveway just comes off of 10th
Terrace sort of dead dead ends right
next to the building itself. Uh the
property is 160 ft wide along 10th
Terrace and Boston Avenue and it's 150
ft wide along the White Horse Pike and
the common property line with the
neighbor next door. Uh we have city
water and city sewer. Uh the proposal
here is to uh uh make the first floor of
of the building uh a commercial tattoo
parlor. So that's uh that sort of
summarizes the existing conditions. Uh
Bob, you want to weigh in on what we're
proposing from an engineering
standpoint?
Can you hear me?
>> I can't. Yes.
>> Just wanted to make sure I've I've got
you on my phone. I've got you on my
Maybe this I'm getting feedback here.
There you go. Is this any better?
>> That's better. Much better.
>> I had you on the phone in the computer.
I just want to make sure I got that.
Anyway, good evening.
Yes, as
Tom mentioned, we're in the corner of
The way Terrace across Tent Terrace is
the Walgreens
on on our site. We do have an existing
building as Tom mentioned in an access
from 10th Paris. The project proposes to
provide a additional parking area so
that we conform to the ordinance by
providing a through drive to Boston.
Excuse me.
And Boston will be a two-way exit and
entry
from Ten's Terrace were one way in. We
provide a total of 13 parking spaces
along the drive through the property
and along the common property line and
three others with the handicap space
towards the white horse.
Uh our our site include the curb and the
curve surround
and then a larger retention basin
towards the white horse.
the seasonal high water was unfriendly
and that it was close to the surface.
So, we needed the area for for the
basin.
Uh the basin will cause us to remove
some existing trees. There are several
dead trees on the site.
uh landscaping along Boston. Uh we're
proposing to dress that up and sort of
leave that the way it exists.
uh with respect to our our neighbor and
now we're we have three fronts 10th
white horse bike in Boston and then we
have a neighbor there's an existing
chainlink fence there and we have we're
able to provide about a three-foot grass
area down that common property.
Um
the site lighting is proposed to light
the 10th terrace 10 10th terrace
from uh building mounted fixture and
then we place a 24 foot high mounted
fixture which is less the building is
28t high and we're less than that uh
requirement.
Uh
the
I I think that pretty much sums it up.
>> Bob, quick question for you. The
neighbor that you uh talked about uh on
the uh left side of the the sketch that
we're looking at, that is not a
residential use. That's a commercial
building. Is that correct?
>> That's correct.
to the building on the other side of the
fence and then they access
to their site.
>> Yes,
>> m Mr. Chairman.
>> Yes, I'm I'm having trouble hearing Mr.
Bruce. I see that he has uh his name is
on the screen twice. Mr. Bruce, is it
possible that you have two uh open and
and you could mute the other one? I I
think it's giving you feedback.
I don't I don't I only see him one time.
I don't see it twice.
>> Bring up the list, Todd. And And is he
in there twice?
>> Yeah, he's in there twice.
>> Okay. So, mute the one that is in all
caps.
>> Yeah, you can do that. The meeting the
meeting chairman can can mute him
possibly.
>> Let me uh let me try that, Jack.
Jack, I'm pretty impressed with your
with your uh understanding of this
high-tech world we're we're in.
>> I don't I don't understand anything. I'm
just making it sound like I do.
>> Just make an observation.
>> Okay. Well,
>> yeah, he's he's got to he's mute and
turn the audio off on the computer
because I when he's got audio, it's even
back in one. Yeah, I I turned my
computer off.
>> Okay. We ideally now
>> that won't be a problem. Is this okay
here?
>> Yes, that's much better.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> Sorry about I just signed in twice. I
wanted to make sure I got here.
>> So, uh Bob, just a couple quick
questions. at the at the present time uh
there there is no real designated
parking area uh for uh this building. Is
that correct?
>> That's true. You pull onto the site and
there is a gravel area sort of in front
of the building that extends the length
of the building. But there it is not
paved, it's not marked, there are no
wheel stops, uh etc.
>> Okay. And also there are no on-site
drainage facilities uh for this
property. Is that correct?
>> You're correct.
>> Okay. Uh in your opinion as an engineer,
Bob, would you say that the proposed
site plan improvements that you have on
your site plan are substantial upgrades
to this existing commercial building?
>> Yes. I think the the upgrades provide
the necessary parking
uh lighting, storm water management uh
for the site. Yes.
>> Okay. And Bob, uh, uh, Ryan McGowan, the
board engineer, uh, prepared a very
comprehensive, uh, engineering review,
uh, of the site plan. Uh, he had
numerous comments and concerns about
things like landscaping and the, uh, the
technical details of the drainage
facilities that were designed. Um, do
you feel comfortable that you can work
with Ryan uh to resolve those uh
landscaping and and engineering issues
if the board is agreeable that they will
uh grant uh the site plan approval
subject to uh your our being able to
comply with all Ryan's comments in his
report?
Ryan and I have worked together on the
past on other applications that I have
submitted and we in fact reviewed this
particular application this afternoon
and I feel we have a good understanding
of what I need to do to satisfy Ryan
with respect to his requirements.
>> Okay. And just so that you understand,
Bob, and also Roberto, you're online. If
for some reason there's a conflict or a
difficulty with the review process where
uh you can't satisfy Ryan on these
details, uh you know, we'd have to come
back to the board and uh have the board
review that uh is that your
understanding?
>> Well, yeah, I don't anticipate that at
all, but yes, that
>> Okay. All right. Good. Um,
what else, Bob? Anything else that you
want to point out to the board on the
site plan? I think with respect to the
landscaping,
um, we could plant some trees in the
vicinity of the basin between the
parking sort of to, uh, meet a
requirement there for a parking area,
but between the landscaping that that's
there and the landscaping that we're
going to leave,
uh, I'd be happy to to meet in in the
field and decide if they're if the area
needs to be supplemented. Yes.
>> Okay, good. Uh they're going to be
installing curbon sidewalk on Boston
where we have the two-way entrance. Uh
yes,
>> the uh the White Horse Pike is already
fully developed. Uh is there any access
uh proposed out to the Pike?
>> No.
None. And on Ted Terrace, uh you
know, the terrace is sort of narrow. Uh
it is it is paved. Um
I I I think you had an on-site meeting
with Ryan about the issue of curbon
sidewalk on the terrace itself. Do you
recall what you guys had decided
>> uh about the terrace? I think the plan
reflects what we decided in that we'd
apply provide a one-way entrance from
10th terrace
the site and we would provide a concrete
well an apron and curb returns. Yes.
>> Mhm. Okay.
Anything else, Bob?
>> I I think we should mention the trash
enclosure
in that uh the application proposed a
private hauler. However, uh we should
mention we want to conform to the city's
ordinance with respect to trash
enclosures.
And there's yeah, plenty of room on site
to have an exterior trash and recycling
enclosure
>> enclosure. With respect to the
freestanding sign, uh we the the plan
says uh also a space available and a
phone number that's going to be removed
from the plan. That was
a thought of the owner. I don't know but
that will be removed and we would modify
the building mounted signs in that they
will be 2 ft high maximum
and there will be only two. One will be
mounted on 10th terrace and one will be
mounted on the front of the building as
you come on to the site. We had
requested I think four but we would
propose two
and I will provide the areas conforming
to the ordinance and the height of the
ordinance.
>> Anything else Bob?
Uh well I was just looking I don't think
so unless you have something
having reviewed the letter I feel there
if I haven't mentioned something that we
can satisfy the Ryan's requirement.
>> Okay.
>> Uh I think that concludes our
presentation for the moment. Mr.
Chairman,
>> you're muted, Todd.
Todd, I think your voice is muted.
>> Me?
>> No.
>> Yes.
No. Todd was muted.
>> Todd, can you hear us? Shake your head.
>> Yeah, I can hear you. I I was trying. I
was pushing the button like crazy, man.
Um,
before I go on to Ryan, is there anybody
from the board who has any questions?
Uh, ju just to clarify, Mr. Bruce, you
you will be constructing the the a trash
enclosure.
>> Oh, yes, we insist.
>> Okay. But the the uh uh Ryan's review
letter said that there was no trash
enclosure proposed. I'm just clarifying
that you will indeed have a trash
enclosure.
>> Yes, sir.
>> Okay.
>> Great. I take it that'll be on the uh
neighbor's side of the of the uh parking
lot, I would say. Right. As I'm just
looking, I'm just guessing.
>> I I somewhere in there to see it behind
the building from 10th Terrace right
there in the general vicinity of the
parking.
But okay.
That's right.
>> Work that out with you. Anybody else
have any questions before I go to Ryan?
>> No. Okay, Ryan, you ready?
>> We already went through and sort of
bifurcated. That was a the concern with
the proposed residential above. We'll
sort of split that off for the following
meeting. Uh one thing Tom mentioned was
the existing non-conforming condition
from front yard setback ter.
Okay.
Um
the other the other thing that we
highlighted zoning table was um the wall
signs were proposed to being 3 ft in
height. Bob already covered that they're
going to reduce the wall signs to a two
foot height. So this will switch from
acquired bars to conform as long as they
do not
the technical review. I'll save this
whole section for the next meeting use
uh site plan design. Um couple things I
just want to not go through them all but
um these are all ordinance requirements.
So I tried to highlight the ordinance
section as applies and then applies to
this specific application was missing.
Um so I I noted the applicant doesn't
have a dedicated pedestrian area to the
building on a small site like this.
That's pretty typical. Um so but I just
wanted to highlight that. The other
wasn't fully clear until I spoke to Bob
today was that um there's concrete
proposed around the perimeter of the
building here. So there'll be access
provided around the building.
Excuse me. Way to get from the stall
here up to switches on the side of the
building.
They didn't provide a loading space on
the site plan. Um that's a gen a general
requirement um for this specific use of
the zone. um it's not necessarily
required, but we wanted the applicant to
talk about um deliveries of materials,
loading or loading. I can't imagine it's
a tractor trailer making deliveries for
a tattoo par. If the applicant could
explain how deliveries are handled, you
know, when he anticipates the largest
vehicle and the duration for the
delivery, I think that would help the
board to better understand whether space
would be appropriate.
Mr. president or or Darcy
in staff.
>> Uh Roberto, can you describe for the
board uh what type of deliveries and
what size delivery trucks you would
anticipate uh coming to the site and you
know how often uh you would anticipate
that that kind of traffic.
Any deliveries we have are typically
standard parcel Amazon delivery. Um,
small packages, nothing major where
there's box trucks sitting for a long
period of time or anything like that.
>> There's no real like retail component
um, you know, associated with just
strictly service and you know selling
packet twists or anything like that.
I'm sorry, Ryan. Was that a question? I
I I I didn't pick it up.
>> Yes, I was just making sure there's
there's not like a retail component.
You're not like there's no shelves to
stock. There's no, you know, nothing
like that. I just want to clarif that
that that's correct. This is basically a
service operation. Uh uh, you know,
tattoo parlor.
How many employees will be there? How
many employees are going to be on the in
the building at one time? Is it just
him?
>> Roberto, can you answer that? How many
employees uh do you anticipate would be
there during the uh eight hour shift?
And how many days a week would you be
open?
So it would be open like seven days a
week and then we have five service
providers including myself. So the most
that would be would be five of us.
>> Are are you doing walk-ins also or is
this appointment only?
>> Majority of our business is
appointmentbased. Um if there's an
artist available there will take a walk
in. There's not typically a lot um a lot
of opportunity for that. They they do
try to stay pretty busy, which we're
hoping for.
>> Okay, Ryan, I didn't mean to interrupt
you. If you got more, go ahead.
>> No, I think um I think the partner
question to that is anticipating the
hours of operation.
>> Yeah. Uh
>> I'm sorry.
>> Yeah. So, go ahead, Tom. Uh, I I'm
sorry. You said seven days a week. What
What would be your hours on those
various days, Roberto?
>> Since we are primarily by appointment,
um, they will vary, but, um, the
earliest being 9:00 a.m. Um, latest it
could be about 10 p.m.ish. So, we really
rarely have anyone there that late.
There's not a specific prohibition for
operation. We just like to, you know,
document
the file so that the code enforcement
has an understanding
of the future.
Um, okay. So, moving on. Landscaping of
parking lots is a requirement of the
site plan design standards. Um, there
were no trees proposed as part of the
application. There wasn't like a a full
landscaping plan. Um,
I believe Mr. Bruce mentioned that in
his outlining of the project. There are
a number of large trees on site. There
are some that need to be removed. Um I
believe that the city also has a tree
replacement ordinance. So we'll have to
account for the trees that are removed
to make sure that they're replaced on
site as presented. There's ample room on
site for that. So I don't think that'll
be an issue. We'll have to make sure
match up.
Um the the applicant is required to have
a lighting plan that conforms with IE
standards. Um they provide a lighting
plan that Bob can speak to to the best
of your knowledge. Will this conform
with IE lighting standards?
>> Bob, can you uh uh provide some comments
on the proposed lighting for the site?
Yeah. Well, we have shown some lighting
contours on the site. Uh we could
entertain putting another light towards
the Boston exit freestanding fixture. It
might light that exit area a little
better.
>> I can demonstrate that to Brian. I mean
to Ryan. Brian.
>> Um just just so we understand the plan.
We have a proposed light fixture here
kind of eliminating the lot.
>> Yeah. Once it
>> Yeah. So, one here,
>> we would add one. See where the double
arrows are going out towards Boston.
Mhm.
>> The other end right in there. Add one
right in.
>> Just so you have a little more even
lighting across the the site.
Okay. Yeah, I think that would be that
would be helpful because I think over
time you're going to end up with minimal
lighting at the exit entrance.
I do think it would be helpful like this
drive.
>> Yeah, I agree.
Um, okay. So, next item in the ordinance
was screening. Um, so the the ordinance
in in multiple locations, I'll I'll sort
of cover them all here, requires that
parking areas be screened. Um,
there's also a requirement for a five-
foot buffer along property lines um for
setbacks. Uh, since the neighboring use
is commercial, um, and I think the
parking lot geometry uses this this
space about as tight as possible. It's
got the minimal uh drive aisle width
here and space depth um and then minimal
you know 5 foot width off the building
frontage. So I think that the layout
makes sense. Um but you know some kind
of visual screening along the side helps
to comply with the
board feels about that
high
>> sorry trash enclosure refuge disposal we
talked about um Mr. Mr. Bruce, they will
add a trash enclosure. Um, but just for
for everyone's sake on the call, I I
think Mr. Bruce will be somewhere on
here on the site where we can see my
mouse on the screen.
>> So seemed like
up in there.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah, the truck I'm thinking of the guy
picking it up, but it's going to be a
garbage can basically,
>> right? So having the zoom mean?
>> Yeah. Because of what I have now.
>> So I I don't think you need um you know
you won't be a full runoff enclosure
anymore. But if you have an enclosure
out here and they can wheel the cans out
to the terrace um rather than you know
have the frontage here where you have
homes.
>> Definitely not.
>> Exactly. Exactly. It wouldn't make sense
to be on the Boston Avenue having
frontage. It wouldn't make sense to be
in front of the building. So I I think
somewhere in that in the space back here
is probably the most logical location
by
>> Okay.
So next would be uh street trees.
So there's a requirement to plant tree
street trees based on the frontage. Um
you know we talked about the tree
replacement ordinance that's that's also
required. So, I think we'll have to work
um work together on a landscape package
that makes sense.
Um
this covers trees as well. This is the
landscaping strip, the five foot
landscaping that we discussed along the
side here. Um
let's see. You addressed the light
standards. You said the height would be
uh 24T and the building was
approximately 28. Is that correct?
>> Yes, 28T is the height of the building.
closer line.
>> Okay. So then so the light standard is
lower than the height of the building
which is
um
addressed this one. We had a maximum
height of two feet for the signs where 3
ft proposed that we modified down
maximum height of two feet.
Um,
another element is that um for
freestanding signs, the ordinance
requires um landscaping plantings around
the signable
to add in those.
>> We can do that.
Next requirement is again sort of
highlighting um landscaping a 5ft
perimeter around the parking lot with um
vegetation buffering.
Um
the next one is the number of trees
required based on number of spaces. So
um more than 10 parking spaces I'm sorry
more than 11 parking spaces must be
admin one disrous tree per six parking
spaces.
and then again landscaping section
want to work together landscaping
package there and the last requirement
in that landscaping section was the
trash closure which we've already
covered
okay so moving into general comments
these are not specifically tied to a
section of the ordinance um Mr. Bruce
already clarified uh what the space
available uh and prospective business uh
signs were that they would be moved. Uh
the concern I expressed was that it
indicated that the building would be
support for multiple commercial leases.
Um but that is not what's being
proposed. Is that correct, Mr. T?
>> Yes. Single single commercial. Yes.
So, just wanted to clarify that um the
total square footage of the building
mounted signs um
was um we just couldn't tell how many
how many faces of the building that we
were going to be on. Um Mr. Bruce, I
think you said it would be on the the
Route 30 frontage. Was it also proposed
on any other frontage or
the building signs?
Bob, Bob, can you comment on the
building mountain sides, please?
>> Yeah, there will be two. One that in
will face 10th terrace and one will be
on the front facade of the building as
you come down the driveway. They'll be 2
feet high and their square footage will
conform to the ordinance.
>> So, it be the Boston Avenue frontage and
the 10th Terrace frontage. Is that
correct?
>> They they will not have signage.
>> Okay. So just just on the route 30
>> not building mounted. No,
>> right.
Okay.
Um
Oh. Um so one sort of suggestion that I
made was that um that because of the
nature of the uh ground shallow
groundwater table this basin is very
large relative to the size of the site.
Um so the the suggestion I made is to um
consider a small scale bio retention
system or another uh basin type that
incorporates vegetation because an
infiltration basin uh the the entire
bottom of this basin will just be sand
to be maintained sand. Um there are
other types that function similarly but
incorporate um plantings so it wouldn't
have to just be a giant sand pit um you
know 20 ft off of brick third. So for
present that for consideration
again that wouldn't necessarily be
mortgage requirement but um you know I
think it might might help the the
applicant maintain a long term to
maintain this as just a bearing sand you
know bottom it's going to be difficult
um next two comments are just very
technical in nature very Mr. social just
language differences between reporting
calculations. Um there was a minimum
time of concentration used instead of
the calculated. So we talked about that
I don't think that had a huge impact on
the calculations.
Um another suggestion I made is to
consider expiltration during routing
calculations which means taking credit
for water going down into ground during
a storm event. Uh the BNP manual allows
for that as 2023. So that might help
reduce the basin footprint a little bit
and help you know preserve some of the
rest of the site which the city in
addition to helping navigate the city to
see to try to minimize you know
basically footprints on their commercial
number eight
number nine and 10 just have to deal
with making sure we're infiltrating the
right volume
about
center for that. Um
the one of the basins there's a detail
submission to the other sheet where the
the freeboard for the basin is um
minimal I'll say. Um so the elevation
where the spillway is is about 5610 and
then the elevation of the top of the
bank was only a little more than an inch
higher. Um so I I asked Mr. Bruce to to
run some calculations to demonstrate the
potential maximum depth of water over
the spillway uh to make sure that you
know the water elevation doesn't need to
exceed the base elevation. Um so the
spillways were intend function as
intended just sort of spill out.
So that's that's something work out.
Number 12 was just a typo and set up
that corrected.
Number 13 is just information that we
didn't we didn't get in the package that
was submitted. So by that uh not have to
provide a maintenance plan not often
filed with the team. U that's usually
good to just hold off until the entire
storm manager plan is done and finalized
because the plan is very specific to
details. So I really wanted for that to
be the last thing. Uh number 15 again
just on the information that Dylan
submitted. Uh the 16 and the next couple
will have to do with um grading and site
and spoke to Mr. Bruce today about this
a little bit. I think that the the
depressed bird location will probably
have to be relocated. Um and the one
thing that stood out to me is that the
grade at the front of the building was a
little bit lower than the grade back
curb. Um, so obviously we see range away
from the building.
So I think that that's all
easily correctly
south parking lot. There's no just a
spot here. It's 5650
here. So just make sure to to
the press curve being adjusted and flush
with grass.
and uh voting space was the last comment
that I had sort of went through that
the business will function should not
require loading space. Um in the event
that this business were to change to
retail or something else that would
require deliveries uh that would not be
larger than say a passenger vehicle. Um
there's actually more parking is
required by ordinance. know what's
there's potential that one of those can
be converted in the learning space if
that becomes silly in the future
you know I application was proposing
something specific but the board members
always to look ahead is you know is the
site still functional if if something
else were to come to
so I always try to address stuff like
that
so that's it for for technical comments
for me. Um in our recommendation section
um what we suggest is if the board is
comfortable with the site plan um as
it's presented um and would like to see
adjustments to the landscaping package
um and obviously the curly management
will be adjusted to deal with them
administratively. uh the board could you
know provide a condition with the
approval um that the oper would have to
return to the board if the uh redesign
required the basin's horizontal extent
to be enlarged. So like if the basic
footprint needed to grow for some reason
um we're going to have to come back
because that that is a direct impact on
the site plan but if the horizontal
extents stay the same or we're able to
shrink a little bit and the depth of
basin doesn't increase by more than a
foot or so um you know it's not really
anything that rises to the level that we
need to come back to the board if you
guys are comfortable with that. That was
my suggestion to be able to allow the
applicant to to sort out those details
without having to come back to the board
if it's not something that impacts you
plan
necessarily.
So, so that's it for me unless there
questions.
>> Uh, does anybody from the board have any
questions?
Nobody.
Uh,
I guess we could hear from the public.
Is there anybody out there on the public
that would like to say something?
>> Yes, I would. It's N Galloway.
>> Can you hear me?
>> Yes, I can hear you. Uh, does she have
to be sworn in, Mr. Tiner?
You're muted.
You're muted, Damon.
>> I solemnly swear to tell the truth, so
help me God.
>> All right. So, there is a motion open to
the public and uh Miss Galloway being
sworn, uh you may proceed.
>> Thank you. Uh I just um this is kind of
like the first um development
application that we've had before your
board uh since we adopted our u shade
tree replacement ordinance. And I just
wanted to remind the board that you
really should check with the um the new
ordinance requirements. Um I see is
there is this lot um wooded
Bob,
you want uh the uh Miss Galloway
asked if the lot is wooded. Could you
describe the existing conditions on the
property?
>> Yes, it's not wooded in in in the sense
that it's a vacant lot out in the middle
of
town, the city. Uh we have clearing on
the site. deciders
has any number of trees on it along the
White Horse Pike in Boston Avenue in
that corner of of the lot. Uh there's a
large oak tree as you come in from onto
the lot and along Boston there are some
trees and shrubs
but it's I to say wooded
I don't know but to say it contains
significant vegetation I would say it
does.
>> Yeah. Do you
>> you're going to be removing trees then?
There are trees there that you're going
to have to tear down.
>> Oh yeah. There are some that are dead.
>> So, we have a requirement that that they
be replaced. I would suggest that you
contact our city arborist
early as possible. He's here for another
two weeks before uh he leaves. So, he
can walk you through all that.
>> Could I get her name and phone number?
>> Yeah, it's Jerry Barbario and you can
reach him at city hall. I'll I can get
you the number.
>> Okay, I'll call. Is that isn't that
something that Ryan isn't that something
that Ryan should be able to handle?
>> Uh yeah, it should make sure that you're
following the
>> coach his report. So I just wanted to
mention
>> adding another person in the mix.
Jerry's on his way out the door, so it
might be might be a waste of time to go
through Jerry is all I'm saying.
>> Ryan, didn't you?
>> Agreed.
>> Well, he knows stuff and he'll be he's
working for another two weeks. So that's
why I suggest that that Mr. Bruce
contact him
>> like as soon as he can. So Jerry can,
you know, scope out the property and
make his recommendations.
>> Ryan, isn't that in your report? You had
covered trees in your report.
>> So we we covered the all the landscaping
plantings um based on the the previous
ordinance requirements. Um the tree
replacement ordinance um is actually not
in the code book using quite yet. So I I
did not incorporate any um new
requirements for the tree replacement.
Um but there as we discussed sort of
that length um you know I think a larger
landscaping package um with plannings
along the side of the parking and tree
replacement um is what's going to be
required. Looking through it looks about
six to eight trees are proposed to be
removed. Um some very large diameter
there's a 72 in plus or minus tree
that's indicated beyond.
>> Is that tree scheduled for take down
Ryan?
>> Uh well just based off Mr. Bruce's plan.
He's got 72inch tree and this this TBR
in brackets typically is to be removed.
So he has a 72inch tree to be removed
here, a 48 inch tree to be removed here,
12 in here, 36 in here. So in within the
footprint of the basin, you're going to
have to remove all trees. Um he's
preserving a 48 inch here. Um so and
there's a couple other 18 incher tree
over here. Um but again there'll be a
fairly large portion of the site
available to plantings. They'll be able
to plant some in between the basin and
parking lot itself. They'll be able to
plant some with here and then some along
the Boston Avenue frontage. So I think
there's plenty of room to make the
appropriate uh you know street tree
plantings, parking lot plantings and
replacement plantings. Um
you know we'll make sure that the
numbers match up with the required and
species as well.
Anyone
else than that? Do you have anything
else?
>> Uh, no. Just u keep an eye on the um
banned species and the approved species
too.
>> No Bradford pears.
>> Okay. Well, we're in Pineland, so we're
limited to Pineland's species.
>> Well, we can help you with that.
No. Okay, I can read. E, thank you.
>> All right. Is there anybody else from
the public
again? Anybody from the board have
anything to say?
Uh, I guess we're looking for a
motion.
Can anyone make a motion?
>> Motion.
>> And that's a just to confirm a motion to
approve preliminary and final site plan
approval.
>> Yes.
>> Second.
>> I'll second it.
Okay.
>> Second it. Call a question.
Say it again, Damon. I'm sorry.
>> I said properly moved and second. Any
questions?
Seeing none, hearing none, you want to
do a roll call vote?
>> Well, the
>> ready.
>> We want we want to do the motion in a
positive uh
>> Yeah, it's a motion to approve
preliminary and final site plan
approval.
>> Okay.
Donna, could you do a roll call, please?
>> Yes.
>> Mayor Chimp Petty,
>> yes.
>> Mr. Gar,
>> yes.
>> Mr. Peterson,
>> yes.
>> Mr. McKenna,
>> yes.
>> Mr. Walker,
>> yes.
>> And Mr. Hess,
>> yes.
>> Thank you, board members. Thank you,
professionals.
Yeah.
>> And uh Ryan, thanks for facilitating the
uh the Zoom meeting uh doing all the
work with the site plan. We appreciate
that.
>> I'd like to thank the professionals for
coming to us with a with a good plan and
answered most all the questions
before we even had to ask them. Thank
you.
>> Thank you.
>> Good luck, Mr. Perez.
>> Thank you, everyone. and I appreciate
it.
>> Thank you, Tom.
>> Thank you very much.
>> Thanks, Tom.
>> Good luck.
>> Same here. Thank you.
>> Okay. So,
>> Madame Secretary, uh, and Mr. Chair, I
guess you have two announcements.
uh that this application will be
continued at the next regularly
scheduled meeting to for a uh devariance
use variance application
and
uh madam secretary did you want to
announce that the the at that meeting uh
the second application that was
originally scheduled for tonight will
also be heard?
>> Yes, it will.
Okay. And could you just say that
application for the record?
>> Um
the application that will be heard um at
the July meeting
which will be
on a second
will be July 21st.
The application will be application
number 2026-03
DMB White Pike LLC
uh located at 26 White Horse Pike, E
Harbor City.
>> Very good.
>> So, that will be heard. Those two
applications will be heard.
And uh Mr. Chairman, uh I'll turn it
back over to you for any other business.
Thank you.
Uh, old business, we have none. Council
report, we don't have a council report
tonight. Is there anybody out in the
public that would like to have another
comment or anything that they'd like to
questions answered or anything like
that?
Okay, I guess we're good there. Uh,
questions and comments from the board.
All right. Motion to adjurnn.
>> Motion.
>> Second.
>> Very good.
>> Thank you everybody. Have a great
evening.
>> Thank you. You too.
>> Have a good night.
All right, Donna.