4/23/26 Council Meeting

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>> Good evening. Well, welcome to the April
22nd
23rd, 2026
a Carver City Council meeting
>> in compliance with the open public
meetings act of the state of New Jersey.
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Aar City common council was provided in
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advanced written notice has been sent to
the Havon Gazette and the Atlantic City
Press. Roll call, please.
>> Uh, Mayor Chimp Petty will not be in
attendance tonight. Uh, so we go Mr.
Dovy
>> here.
>> Heist
>> here.
>> Pessie
>> here.
>> Heer
>> here.
>> Ortiz
>> here.
>> Mr. Sen is not here. Mr. Timbers
>> here. And Mr. Wright will not be here.
>> And I'm here.
>> Oh, Nette, I'm sorry. Oh, she didn't
know.
>> Okay. Number four is public comment. Uh
for agenda items only. Is there anyone
here that wishes to be heard on our
agenda items for tonight? Yes.
>> Or
>> Yeah. Please come up. State your name
and address.
My name is Kim McCville 426.
>> Yeah.
>> Kim Mcconville, 426 Hamburg Avenue. I'm
here for the tower project. Um, really
quick, I don't know if I can say this at
this point, but I want to put on record
that when the Mullica committee people
were here, it was all Mulla people but
one aver city resident. We did express
the same concerns. They told us they
knew nothing about the project, which we
know that they did know. So, I just
wanted to let that be known. Um, but I
do have a couple of questions. Um, my
first question is why can't the small
lot that
Hamburg Avenue and Deer Street and
between the two residential properties
be either sold to one or subdivided to
both um homeowners and that would keep
that
like it would keep their peace there and
offer this company land that's in this
new development that you're putting in
for their apartment complex or putting
in their storage unit. Um, it's kind of
like you live in a residential area or a
rural area and you know what's going on
around you and then they put this right
literally in your backyard or people
that don't live there yet. This they're
going to move next to this. The people
that complain because they live next to
the high school, they bought the house
next to the high school so they knew
that noise was going to be there. where
these people bought these homes with
this small little lot in between them
thinking it was going to be peaceful and
quiet. Um,
sorry. Um,
and I guess that was like my my main two
things for this.
>> Well, the one thing is that we in these
uh parts where the public comes up and
speaks, we're really not able to answer
the questions at this point. So, uh, we
hear what you're saying and we
appreciate it and, uh, this isn't really
the forum for that because, well,
actually, we have a finance committee
that meets with this gentleman pretty
regularly. So, we'll, you know, we'll
merge that subject, but um, again, we we
can't answer those questions right now,
but we appreciate you bringing it.
>> Sure.
>> Um, it's they have been talking often to
join the program. So, what happens when
Stockton joins in on the deed either
before closing or after closing and then
they're able to get a tax?
>> They can't for that.
>> Yeah,
>> this is a for-profit business.
>> So, I'll tell you that.
>> It's going to be written up like as a
deed requirement, then it's going to be
then it can't be
>> he cannot it's not a not for-p profofit.
He's not a a 501c3 or anything like
that.
>> But what happens if they add sucked in
after the fact?
Well, that would be up to us. This is a
redevelopment zone and we're not looking
for that.
>> I understand. So, I understand I'm
blinking up because I know they have
talked to people over there to
>> and he does want to partner with schools
but um not in that way where he's
looking for a 501c3. Okay.
>> Nonprofit.
>> Okay. That's all I have for this part.
>> Okay. Well, thank you.
>> Anyone else wish to be heard?
Okay. Seeing none, uh, close that
portion of the meeting. Um, number five,
approved minutes for April 9th,
>> 2026.
>> Second.
>> Motion made in second questions.
>> Yes,
>> I do have one question.
>> I know I had mentioned something to
Jackie and uh, she told me to wait
because there was something that wasn't
um, written up quite right and um, yes.
Could I correct it when when Meg gets
here?
>> You can make a statement what you feel
it should be. Okay.
>> And then it's up to me to decide whether
she feels it should be corrected or not.
>> Okay. So,
>> when you vote on that, you can very well
say, you know, yes or no, but then you
make a statement in regard to what you
want.
>> Okay. So,
>> thank you.
>> Can I ask what it was?
>> Um, it was about um uh when I spoke to
um
>> Okay. the officer
or did not see an officer.
>> Okay.
>> But real quick, I just want to for the
record that Carl has now joined the
meeting. I just wanted to
>> Okay. Okay.
>> All right. All in favor?
>> I
oppose. I
>> I have I
>> So, was I supposed to say something then
or was that enough?
>> Something now as long as it's on the
record.
>> Okay. I just want I just wanted to say
um when I was speaking to the chief um I
did not say that I saw an officer. I
said I did not see an officer. That's
all.
>> Okay.
>> Thank you.
>> And we'll check with the clerk and make
sure.
>> Did we have a motion? A second item.
Yes.
>> Yes, we did. All in favor?
>> I made a motion.
>> Thank you. Okay,
>> that was number five. Uh number six,
mayor is
uh council committee chair. So uh we'll
start off with uh safety and
sustainable.
>> Okay. I got a lot.
>> Okay.
>> Um there um I don't have anything for
safety other than there will be a
meeting in June, early June 2nd at 10:00
a.m.
>> Yes.
>> Uh sustainable EHC. Uh we held our Arbor
Day program last Friday at Pe Pilgrim
Park. Uh we distributed 15 full-size
fruit and spring flowering trees. We
planted with uh the public works
department two northern red oak trees in
the upland section of Peace Pilgrim
Park. And um the public uh works crew
demonstrated how to properly plant a
tree. And we had 30 students from the
reach uh program at the community school
participate in a scavenger hunt. Uh we
also distributed red oak tree saplings
and to those who attended and weren't
eligible to get a tree and we gave the
leftover trees uh saplings to the school
so they can conduct an Arbor Day program
this Friday. Uh so I wanted to thank
everybody who was involved and thank the
Hamilton Gazette for the coverage. It
was great.
And I just wanted to remind everyone um
who's planted trees that we're in a
severe drought at this point. So, please
make sure that you give your trees 20
gallons of water a week uh for the
growing season. Uh I don't have the
winners of the Arbor Day photo contest
yet. Um when the items were packed up,
all the little tags that were on the
back of the thing fell apart. So, I'll
have to check with Brenda to find out
who the winners are. And um our next uh
event of our spring environmental series
is tomato basics with Belinda Chester of
Rucker Cooperative Extension. And we'll
have a limited supply of tomato plants
available for those who attend. That
meeting will be held here in Council
Chambers 10:00 a.m. Saturday, May 9th.
And then the following week, we'll have
the nature trail walk at City Lake Park.
Uh we've also received the first draft
of uh heat island mitigation plan being
formulated by Dell Atlantic Conservation
District uh which is follow up to the
heat island assessment adopted earlier
this year. Um that we'll share the
recommendations that are in that um
document at our special meeting being
held 6 p.m. Tuesday, May 26 here at city
hall. And it's important for the public
to attend if they're interested in
what's in there. And we don't want
people coming back, including council
members and residents saying, "Well, we
didn't know that was going to happen."
So, come to the meeting uh or log on. Uh
we'll have a link for a Zoom and find
out what's in the plan before it's
adopted. Uh we have a tree committee
meeting Monday, this coming Monday at 6
p.m. here um city hall. And the next
green team meeting is Tuesday night at 6
p.m. here at city hall. Uh that's it.
That's all I have.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> Uh Joe, can I ask?
>> Sure. Do you want the draft posted
online or not?
>> Not the draft yet. Okay.
>> We'll do it for in ahead of that
meeting.
>> All right.
>> Council President.
>> Yes.
>> Um I'm on the safety committee and I'm
going to respectfully request to be
removed from the safety committee. I
cannot have meetings during the day at
10 o'clock. And I I've specified this
numerous times. I can meet after six in
the evening or on Fridays. So, you might
as well fill somebody in there who is
retired who can meet at that time
because I cannot do it.
>> So, you can remove me from that
committee and put someone else on.
>> Well, I didn't set the meetings. It was
set by the clerk. So,
>> I was told quarterly safety meetings.
>> Yeah.
>> They're really for the employees. They
are really not for council.
Keep just seeing them. Yeah, that's not
the regular safety committee.
>> That's not the council safety committee.
>> Okay. So, we haven't had a council
safety meeting yet. So, that's just
keeps being the quarterly safety meeting
that's being reported.
>> That's what I thought it was.
>> Okay, that's fine. Then I will stay on
it because that's one I don't have to
get to because I keep, you know, I keep
saying I can't beat it and I don't, you
know, take a seat that can be used by
somebody else who can be productive in
the committee because I cannot bid.
>> Okay, fair enough. Thank you.
>> All right. Uh, Councilwoman Hassie for
And for Rotary,
>> I have nothing for Rotary and code. I'm
going to leave it to Jerry. Um,
hopefully he could fill you in on what's
going on in the code department. I have
no idea. rules.
>> Could I can I mention I'm on code, too,
but um I wanted to ask if Jerry could
maybe contact Mullica Township and see
if they could do anything about the
graffiti on the old car wash because
people think it's an Aar city and it
really is.
>> I will miss
you. There you go. That says all but I
will contact it. No problem. Okay, back
to Mr. Dobby.
>> Um, I'm going to let Jerry uh give the
public works update just quickly. Um,
they're the crew is very busy. Uh,
they've done the cleanup after the
storm. Uh, started cutting grass and of
course they working many hours out at
the lake putting in the water and sewer.
So, they're they're pretty busy.
>> Yeah,
>> that's all.
>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Ortiz. I don't have
any update for parks or for school.
>> Okay, Mrs. Heist.
>> I have nothing.
>> Okay,
that was number seven. Chief of police
number eight.
>> All right. Since we have last met, um,
let me just give you some numbers. We've
had uh one reported burglary, one case
of fraud, two simple assaults, six
thefts, um six motor vehicle accidents,
nine pedestrian stops, 89 traffic stops,
total of 71 traffic citations issued.
We've had 12 arrests, including two
DUIs, seven business alarms, 196
crimerevention activities, four
domestics, 26 EMS incidents, seven
follow-ups, 607 property checks, and
eight public service calls. Um,
don't know if you recall last meeting
there was I think we had like 20 thefts.
Um, and I did mention that a lot of that
was Wawa. Um
so in order to help deter that what we
did I directed our detective to come up
with um an operation plan to help deter
theft. So we have begun working with
WAWA. Um we will see an increase in
uniformed officers and they also did
some undercover operations in order to
try to combat um some of the retail
theft that has been going on in Wawwa
Wawa's throat. Um but at some point in
time they need to get their own
security. But um but for right now um
the increase in uh uniform presence
seems to uh have mitigated some of the
theft and hopefully just our presence
there occasionally even if we're just
going to get our coffee will have people
think twice. Um
in terms of trainings, we had one crisis
negotiation training. Um one of our
officers went to that. We had an officer
go to a mandated child abduction
response training. Um, every department
has to have an officer who was cart
child abduction response training uh
team certified. So that was two days out
of his regular schedule. Um had some
officers go to their Alcatest
reertification. We have to get
reertified every three well three years
um in order to operate our Alcatest
machine. So, we can go ahead and do
that. So, all of the DUI arrests, we
have to make sure that all of our people
can do that. Um,
other things that we did um on the 17th,
last Friday, in collaboration with the
New Jersey State Police Crime
Suppression Unit, um, two individuals
were arrested, arrested following a
targeted narcotics investigation and the
execution of a court approved search
warrant. Um, this happened on the 500
block of St. Louis Avenue. uh a Cody
Ryan, 37, and Jamie Winters, 43, were
both arrested and were charged with the
following. Unlawful possession of a
weapon while compi committing a
controlled dangerous substance offense.
Unlawful possession of a handgun,
possession with intent to distribute
CDS, possession of CDS, three counts of
possession of drug paraphernalia with
intent to use, three counts of
possession of drug paraphernalia, four
counts of receiving stolen property. Um,
both were lodged in the Atlantic County
Justice Facility. Um, we remain
committed to working alongside of our
state partners to ensure the safety of
our neighbors neighborhoods and address
the unlawful distribution of narcotics
and illegal illegal firearms within the
community. Um, we have to say these
charges are merely an accusation and not
proof of guilt. All criminal cases, a
charged defendant is presumed innocent
unless and until proven guilty in a
court of law. But that's all I've got.
Any questions, concerns?
>> Questions for the chief?
>> I do have a quick question. Um, do you
know what CIT is? The
>> intervention training. Yes.
>> Yeah. There I do know does uh Atlantic
County is going to have a BRT session
pretty soon. I don't know if any of your
officers want to attend it or if you
want any of your officers to attend it.
>> So the I think the crisis intervention
training that there is coming up. I
thought that was only for dispatchers.
>> No. So, Cumberland just did one um and
that was for state and sheriffs and
local PD and
>> but I I think they're trying to get
Atlantic County to run I know they do
the BRT
>> um but I think they're trying to start
up a CIT.
>> So, I know that the Church by the Bay
does do the CIT usually twice a year.
Okay.
>> Um and I think maybe that's the one that
I saw recently that specifically for
>> dispatchers. Um, but yeah, I'm It's
rough with the CIT because it's a
40-hour class,
>> right?
>> And that takes a lot out of um
>> it's a big punch to your time.
>> Yeah.
But I mean, it's definitely worth
it. I mean, we do have um one veteran
who um is on the veteran response team,
so he did go through that and um yeah,
but it's definitely something that I'm
interested in. It's just right now
people out.
>> Gotcha. Thanks, Chief.
>> I had something. I just wanted to clear
something up from the last meeting. um
our chief um brought something to my
attention. I saw a photo of myself at
the I don't know if anybody knows in
last meeting there was an issue with the
pickle ball courts and I didn't think
that the that the um police had
responded. However, I had seen a photo
that the chief had given to me and they
were there. However,
in my defense, they I was never
approached by them and I was the only
person in the pickle ball court. So, I
was picking up balls and I had never
seen them. So, I would hope that in the
future that when a resident calls that
they would at least
speak to the resident to see whether
they're okay or that everything is okay
before they leave the scene.
So that's that's all I have to say. And
there although there is one other thing
I do have a I don't know if this is a
time or not, but the pickle ball courts
are getting ruined. I have pictures of
what they're doing to it. And it's not
even I mean maybe it's a year now, but
there's not only the tire marks, but
they have ebikes. And I'm guessing it's
because of the ebikes and they're just
like keeping them in one spot. And I
have them on here. If you can if you can
show it on this on the screen, it would
be nice.
>> Why don't we do that in committee? Okay.
>> And we'll deal with that.
>> Okay. Because they're really they're
really starting to rip it up. And it's a
shame. It really is. And and I do have a
little
>> I was I was thinking possibly we can put
a lock on there like a co with a code so
that it can change monthly or something
and maybe you know that might help.
Don't suggestation. I will. Yeah.
>> All right. Thank you.
to address that.
>> At the school 911 caller reported
juveniles riding their bike on the pick.
>> That's the only information that our
officers were given. Um, so while I
understand that you may have expected
officers to check and make sure that
everything was okay, the only
information that they were given was
that which was said. So you were there,
>> right?
>> They don't know that somebody else
didn't fall. Additionally,
unless a 911 caller specifically says,
"There's an issue. I want to speak to an
officer." Um, and dispatch usually does
ask that. I know that they didn't this
time. They're not going to make a I
don't want to say a big scene, but we
have had issues where people have said,
"Why are you letting anybody know that
I'm the one that called 911?" So, we
didn't get that information from
dispatch.
>> That was the information that was
related to the officers, which was 911
caller, kids on the pit ball court. They
didn't give any information or any kind
of indicator about who the caller was or
anything like that. So typically if a
caller does want to have contact with
the police, we absolutely will follow
up. Um
>> they were not given that information. So
that's why that happened.
>> Well, thank you.
>> Thank you, Chief. Anything else? No.
Okay. Thank you. Uh CFO.
>> Um
thank you.
>> Nothing.
>> Uh city clerk?
>> No.
>> City attorney?
I don't have anything. Um unless you
wanted me to um walk on the
redevelopment plan ordinance.
>> The add-on that we have. Yeah. Would
you?
>> Sure.
>> Yeah. That's what she handed out
earlier.
>> And it was a rather
>> um so this would be for our first
reading. Um, it's ordinance number
10-206,
an ordinance adopting an amendment to
the redevelopment plan for the gateway
um, rehabilitation area.
>> And we're talking about the Acme site,
correct?
>> Yes.
>> Are there any? So, this would be
presented tonight as the um introduction
of the ordinance and uh in a couple
weeks we would have the public hearing
>> and this will be going to the land use
board. Yes. After this this Tuesday.
>> Next week. Yes.
>> This Tuesday the 28th.
>> It's coming to Okay.
>> 28.
Okay. Is there a motion to introduce
this ordinance?
I'll make a motion.
A second.
>> Motion has been made and seconded.
>> Questions on that motion?
>> All in favor?
>> I opposed.
>> Okay. Ordinance has been
>> Oh, yeah. That was
>> mess.
>> Oh, Carl.
>> I'm here.
>> Okay.
>> In Florida.
>> You said this. Okay. Thank you,
>> Joe. Was that on the agenda or is that
just an add-on?
>> It was an add-on.
>> It just says may
>> actually Chris sent it an hour after me.
>> No, I I just was looking to see where it
was to
>> agenda. He missed it by an hour for the
agenda.
>> No, that's fine. Thank you.
>> All right. Uh number 12, administrator
>> already
.
>> Uh so, uh as far as code, we have two
new employees in code. Uh one both code
enforcement officers. Uh they replace
Mr. Hadley and Mr. Hinki and they're
doing really well. One is local and the
other one is Malikica. He's from
Malikica. So he's almost local. Um just
in the first two weeks we have um I've
spent um a total of eight hours training
them.
We've written up over 60 code compliance
reports, 37 tall grass reports which
were issued this week. issued three
dilapidated roof violations.
the building sub code official um our
our acting Gus Morg Morgani um he issued
a unsafe structure and then uh with the
assistance of several officers and our
detective um we did an investigation for
a slaughter in a bank property on
Chicago
um 450 Philadelphia Avenue. I was
informed today that is the green in
color house near the lunchonet. All the
permits um have been um issued. All the
demo permits, they have their
pineelands. They have everything else.
So I was asked to motivate the
contractor today to get that down.
>> I would have missed that property. It's
been like that for 40 years.
>> So that'll be down soon as soon as I
have a conversation with the contractor.
Um so code is moving along. Uh we had
you know a pretty maybe two week three
week disruption because of the
resignations
and um we're back up on track. So we're
doing pretty good with the individuals
that we brought on. As far as the pipe
project,
GPW
um has had to maintain um mowing which
is very difficult when it's 90 degrees
and it rains. So, we've done the best
that we can. We're almost caught up with
all the sites um to be able to do that.
Um the pipe project is extensive. I did
um have the opportunity to um tour um
our council president and we realized
that a little bit more than they thought
it was. Um but I knew what it was. Um,
and so we have uh in our possession
6,000 linear feet of pipe, of which
we've installed 2,000 linear feet so
far. Uh, we have seven manhole
structures being built right now.
We have uh the electric marked out. We
did have the county come and test our
wells um which passed. I don't have a
report today. So I would have had a
report today if it failed. So they
passed. So, we have a backup plant. In
the event that I can't get water
connected at the street, I do have the
ability to open up the campground with
the existing wells and the existing
septic that's there.
>> Do we have any idea what American water
can do there?
>> I talked to my engineer, my favorite
person on the table here and he says not
really.
>> Yeah. Right.
>> Is there somebody we can call
>> there? Yeah. We need to get some things
in and then we can get some reaction and
see how long.
>> Okay.
>> There's a lot of
>> a lot of moving parts.
>> We we have the ability with the
equipment that we rented, we have the
ability to put in about 5 600 feet a
day. So, we can go pretty we can go
pretty fast. Um the manhole structures
are 9,000 lbs each. So, they will have
to be set by the the contractor. Um, and
then we will have a plumbing contractor
connect
to the existing buildings that we have,
the existing concession stand, the
braided building, and then the two
bathrooms. So, we'll have a licensed
contractor do that. They'll pull the
permits and get it all inspected, all of
that. So, we're moving along. It's just
that there's um you know, we don't
really know if we're going to have water
for the season, public water, public
sewer, but we do have a plan um which is
our existing soils be able to continue
to operate.
>> Great.
>> Um
that's as far as public works
>> questions. Yeah,
>> I do. I have a question for um about
code. Is there any way that you could
continue to send or not you but the the
code department send me the reports and
what's going on?
>> So, so what I want to do is we have
training scheduled with Mike Mangle on
Thursday. I want the I want the programs
to spit out the report as opposed to
what was happening which was the Excel
spreadsheet which was extremely
timeconuming. Yeah. So
>> and uh they are using both both
individuals are using the iPads out in
the field. That's how we take pictures
and upload it to the program.
>> Wonderful.
>> Um, they're very comfortable using them,
especially Bobby Mlan.
>> So, um, we're doing that. But, yeah, I
want to get Mike, that's my next
Thursday, I want to I want him to train
the the staff, the new staff members,
but also show us how to spit out reports
because it's redundant and ridiculous to
have the individual. So, we'll get
there. We're just not there yet. So,
right now, we're operating on work
order. Basically, I meet with them in
the morning. I provide them work orders.
Um, we interact with the police because
there's some issues that are kind of um,
you know, a little bit up in the air.
Um, and then our construction officials,
Steve Buck, Hopper, and Gus. We're in
communication like that.
>> And is the initiative still in place?
>> Yes, thank you.
>> Yeah, we're doing we're doing
everything. See, the only thing we
changed um, Council Person Hessie is the
report structure. I want to
>> Perfect.
>> I want to come to a different report. I
want to eventually get to a different
report structure.
>> That would be great.
>> Thank you.
>> Jody's nodding her heads.
>> Yes.
>> Take away from being manual.
>> Right. Exactly. Yeah.
>> Any other questions?
>> Any other questions for
>> working on my tan every day? If you can
say
>> that sunscreen
>> slow. No, I'm not that. It's more basil
cell's not fun.
you know, he mentioned it that I was
amazed at what they're doing out there.
And um it's, you know, we sit up here
and we say, "Oh, let's put water in
shorelines to the to the campgrounds at
the lake and sounds like it's, you know,
we push a button and it gets done." But
there's a lot to it. And if we would
have had to go out to bid
>> and RFQS, RFPs for a contractor would
have taken time and money
>> and we're saving a lot, right?
>> This would have been sealed big because
of the cost.
>> Yeah. So, we appreciate it. Thank you
for your
>> Sure.
>> I I I think we're saving a lot of money
and I know that the staff's learning a
lot. They're telling me they're learning
a lot. They also tell me other things,
but I can't do these other things. But
that's just how it goes. That's how it
goes.
>> Well, thank you.
>> It's not an easy job. Thank you, Jerry.
My husband does it every day over
American Water. It's not easy.
>> Yeah.
>> Maybe we should call them.
>> He doesn't.
>> The guys can say that they're expanding
their abilities and knowledge. And so
that's super fresh to sit into that.
Right.
>> He already left you stuck in the shower
once.
>> Right. But they did.
>> Jerry, can I ask you one other question?
As far as Gus goes, is he he's just
going to be on the payroll until until
they get the license and then he'll no
longer be
>> if if and so if our employee cannot get
the license and we have to have a
conversation with that individual with
our employee Brian,
>> but I'm pretty confident that he will
get it. Yeah. And then Gus will still be
what he was in the past which is the
fill-in individual for our subco.
>> So if we needed him.
>> Absolutely. And how do we pay him?
>> Uh per day.
>> 150 per day.
>> How much per day?
>> 150 per day.
>> He comes in twice.
>> Okay.
>> And he whatever whether there's 50 or 20
he gets on.
>> Okay.
>> And he also can fill in for as well
which is a nice hill. So if I had
something he can also do a lot of stuff.
>> That's a great thing.
>> So the other licensing.
>> Yes. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Great. All right. Thank you. Well,
>> all right. Number 14. Uh, that's one of
the ones that you would recommend.
>> You missed.
I did it again. I did it again. I'm
sorry. No offense.
>> And and thank you for this nice colorful
back.
>> Sure. Do you want me to show that or
that?
>> You know, you could you could
>> Okay. Um, so I'll go through the normal
court. Sorry. I didn't get a chance to
distribute everything. It was pretty
work day and I thought it crazy. So,
>> oh, it was a fun day. Um, so yeah, well,
I got this map produced. So, um, so I
I'll go through all the projects real
quick. Uh, Buffalo Avenue, uh,
construction is progressive. We'll move
along there. They're still finished up
uh doing the curbon sidewalk work. After
that's done, they'll come in and do the
road. Uh, the road portion will take a
day or two once everything else is done,
ready to go. And then APS is usually
very good about getting all restorations
done either right before or right after
they paved. So, um, expected everything
to be done next couple weeks.
>> When did you say the the road should be
paved?
>> Uh, I don't have that scheduled yet.
It's, yeah, they're finishing up the
concrete week or two away and then, uh,
they might let it sit for a week, just
let everything settle out.
>> Um, but they didn't have much pipe work,
so there's not, you know, if you give
you extensive pipe work, you want to let
all the trenches settle for like 90
days. There was barely any pipe work.
So, we're not going to deal with any of
that, but it shouldn't be more than like
a couple weeks.
>> Okay. I speak to we out yesterday
walking the walking with with
director Michael Ryan's colleague and
it's probably two weeks of concrete and
curbboard
>> and then it'll settle a little bit and
then they'll break the black out
>> Ryan.
>> Yes.
>> Why was there not much pipe work? Isn't
there storm water pipe?
>> So they're not in that section. That's
the four and 500 blocks. So a little
higher. Um, we did actually have to add
um there was a like a sump pump system
that just continued to run all the time.
So, we ended up adding a little
collector drain to bring that down to
the inlet so it wasn't discharging on
the road all the time. Um, other than
that, I think we replaced like one inlet
and one little stick of pipe. Um, that
area is relatively high. It kind of goes
down towards um, Beethoven and Argo. So,
it's that's two blocks away. It's sort
of trending down towards the 200 block
from the board 500 block. And is that
culvert on the corner on the opposite
side of Burger Street going to be
repaired?
>> So I don't think we included I think
Burger was the limit. I don't think we
crossed over to the other side.
>> It's really bad
>> that the the inlet itself. Well, the in
the the public works department, you
know, purged it to get it get the old
cast iron thing back in, but the the
depression there is so deep, it's really
hard to make that right-hand turn.
>> All right, I'll I'll take a look at it,
but I if it's on the other side of
Burger Street, it's probably outside of
the limits of our application. I know we
already extended a little bit of curve
down Burger because there was a section
that was pretty beat up. Um, but I'll
take a look at it. We can address I know
DPW looked at it a couple times and did
some work on it in the past.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't think since you've been there
was actually an inlet that was a low
spot along Buffalo that didn't go
anywhere. It wasn't connected by pipe to
anything else. It was just a local low
spot and it appears that public works
installed like a little just infiltrator
inlet there years ago to try to solve
the drainage problem. Um so we actually
regraded the road to eliminate that. Um,
so we brought all of the drainage down
to the corner and and there's there
won't be a puddle at that that low spot
anymore. There have been for the last 40
years.
>> Well, it's getting lower and lower and
lower and at the curb where that big
tree was removed. Is that going to be
repaired?
>> Yeah, that's going to have to be
>> from the clear terrace. Yeah.
>> The whole the whole stretch there.
>> Originally, we were trying to keep that
tree and when they went in to do the
service walk, the roots were everywhere.
So, um, yeah, we I think Jerry to take
that down, I think, but yeah,
>> that Burger Street section is for the
fall, right?
>> So, I think we're going to do a small
section curve now as part of this and
then the rest will do fall.
>> There is a pretty big pothole there by
the terrace, seventh terrace.
>> That mean
work order.
>> Okay.
>> I I have a question. Uh we're having
issues with our storage and what they
need to do is redirect and they were
really hoping that they can go to
Beethoven. Unfortunately, the manhole is
not lined up with Beethoven.
>> It's just off.
>> I'm just wondering why it wouldn't be
lined up with our terrace.
>> Got me. I mean,
>> and I'm just letting you know like now
for the next Yeah. for for the for
moving forward, you know, um to make
sure they're lined up.
>> There's lots of uh anomalies and
oddities all over town and um I've got
lots of stories from old council people,
you know, we wonder why some of the
roads don't have enough slope. And I get
stories of like, well, they were trying
to save money so the council president
like this 50 60 years ago would go out
and like push the stake down so they
didn't have to bring so much fill in.
And like
>> lots of goofy things happened over the
years. Um so how we got here I don't
have an explanation for. All I can do is
try to fix it going forward. Now that's
New Jersey America's problem and not our
problem unfortunately.
>> Yeah. I was just wondering if that's the
norm or not, but I I was I was told it
was not the norm not to put it right in
the middle.
>> Typically sanitary sewer, right, is run
down the middle. Uh occasionally you get
to areas where there was a storm sewer
problem or something else and another
utility went first and somebody put the
utility down the middle of the road and
um this actually came up recently. The
junior engineer was designing the
project and they were like, "Oh, I have
it preliminary laid out." They had to
start down the middle and they said,
"Somebody in 40 years is going to hate
you. Move that over to the curb line and
don't do that."
>> Yeah.
>> So, we're going to avoid that in the
future and elsewhere.
>> Thank you.
>> For somebody else.
>> Yes.
>> Did you report on past meetings about
our walk with the American Water?
>> Um I think we did, but we can we can
recap that. Um so, New Jersey American
Water has had a pretty extensive water
main replacement project and they're
replacing um a 600 foot section of sewer
on turrets. Yeah.
>> Um so they I think are just doing that
now or maybe just finished. Um but we
met with their paving superintendent and
approximately 90 days after they finish
um all of the sub um subsurface work,
the water man and sewer work. Um they're
going to mill and overlay all of the
terraces that they did work in and a
large section of it or camp I think it's
camp. um a whole block section of Camp
Street. Um so you'll every all of the
roads that you go down now that you see
like a giant, you know, trench repair,
they'll all be full width mil and open
>> um at the inclusion project. But even if
it if the work drags out a little bit,
it'll be 90 days or prior to school.
>> Okay.
>> So we had that conversation with them,
make sure that the paving work is done,
even if it's 75 80 days, we'd rather see
the paving done and you know, cut it a
little short than pain cons.
So, um, yeah, at some point in August,
you'll see all that paving work.
>> And what terraces was supposed to
>> 10th, 11th, and a section of 12th, and
then a section of Camp Street, um,
around Pro 10th.
>> Okay.
>> So, that's that the primary area. We
have a a little map that we can share
once they find
that.
>> Yeah. Yep.
>> So, that's those um, yeah, campground
improvements. Jerry sort of went through
that. Um, we're still working through
lots of paperwork, but We're making
progress. Uh, city hall ad improvements,
I think we got the last submittal
selection um, sorted out. So, they have
placed the last material order. They're
trying to get all the delivery dates
lined up so that once everything's here,
they can come in and knock it out
quickly. Um, again, we're going to time
between council meetings and we'll let
everybody know as far in advance as
possible so any other meetings can be
uh, located. It's really just the DES
area and the ramp on the side. So, the
room will be open the rest of it. Um but
that the DS will not be usable for you
know a week or so.
>> Are we looking places for somebody
additional?
>> Yes we are. Um
>> and then Ryan Megan and I met at the
senior center.
>> Yeah. So that's further down my list. Um
but I can jump to that. So we respond to
an RFP that you guys had to put out
because you're using federal funding uh
to pay for some of the soft costs, the
engineering design and inspection. Um we
are in design for that now. It's
upgrades to the senior center, redoing
and reconfiguring the bathrooms and the
kitchen and redoing the floor throughout
the first floor area. So, that'll be a
nice um significant improvement there.
>> Yeah. And when I met with Megan, it was
um county people were there as well. So,
they they're aware of what's going on
and what we're doing.
>> Yeah. But it's and it is um it's
interior improvements, also exterior
improvements, so that the entrance ramp
and everything is ADA compliant, which
it is not current. And the door
threshold, all that kind of stuff.
>> I have a question.
>> Yes. Uh, I remember when we toured it, I
noted that the men's bathroom floor,
subfloor needed to be replaced.
>> They're getting totally rect. They're
getting reconfigured. Will be I think
it's two instead of three. They're
whatever it is. It's like there'll be
two ADA and one bathroom that'll be for
staff, non ADA bed. So, there'll be
three. There'll be three bathroom there.
One kind of dedicated to staff, right?
>> And the kitchen will be ADA with the
flooring. I didn't want any of the men
to fall through the
>> Yeah. No, it'll be
>> You were in the men's band.
>> Total total men's band.
>> Don't ask any follow.
>> You got to go. You got to go.
>> It's a lot of work.
>> Yes. Yeah, it's a good amount of work.
Um, uh, New Orleans Avenue subdivision,
we're still trying to work through uh, a
deed restriction that the county was
requesting that we felt was a little
over the top. So, um, soon as we get
that resolved, we'll get that filed. um
ivactor project. We were intending to
advertise that on Tuesday
uh and on Monday we got an email from um
D's water quality division that they
felt that some of the enlarged pipe
sizes would trigger the major
development threshold which is like a
nightmare. So, uh, we spent the last
couple days, um, going back through
things and trying to demonstrate that,
um, where we made enlargements, it's not
a capacity increase. Like there's more
capacity on the there's one spot where
like the road comes down, um, audio
street towards your bridge. And, uh,
right now there is no pipe. It just
flows in the road, but the capacity of
that road gutter to pass the road, like
to pass the the water is actually more
than what the capacity of the pipe will
be. So all we're doing is shifting that
flow from above grade in road to um so
we had to demonstrate all kinds of stuff
like that.
>> Oh jeez. Yeah. So um yeah and I I tried
to explain like DOT has minimum
thresholds for when you're have a single
cross drain you're allowed to use a
12-in pipe. Once you have more than two
and let's contribute pipe supposed to be
15 which you guys have 12in pipes
everywhere. So we tried to up upsize
some of them to be compliant with DOT
and RSIS. And they said, "Well, that's
still an enlargement unless you flatten
it such that the capacity of the pipe by
gravity flow is less than the prior 12
inch, which might have been a steeper
slope." So, it's been a lot of um
>> Who's that with the D?
>> Yeah. So, the the bureau chief of the
water quality division.
>> Um Yeah. So, they for whatever reason
kick to him at I think the last minute
or
appreciate it, but whatever. Here. So,
yeah, it's been a lot of just trying to
demonstrate that, you know, what we're
doing is okay and making some
adjustments where, you know, frankly, we
couldn't demonstrate. Um, so there'll be
a couple 12in pipes going back where we
would like to have 15, but how much are
we doing? At least it'll be new and not
80, 90 years old.
>> Is is any of it um on Beethoven Avenue
over in between New Orleans and and San
Francisco?
>> Yes.
>> Is that
>> Yeah, that whole section. all those old
city silence. That's when we laid out
this project. I mean, we submitted plans
in March of 25. When we laid out this
project, we targeted a project that we
felt wouldn't require a permit because
we wanted to be able to qualify for the
fiscal year funds. And in order to do
that, you have to be under contract
through 30th. So, we kind of got kicked
out of the FY25 program. Um, we're now
in line for the FY26 program. But again,
the original intent was like, let's get
something we could do quick and easy and
um you know, wouldn't be a question on
funding and all those old city style
inlets. The DP wants to get rid of all
of that as fast as possible.
>> So, we identified them. We identified
replacing all that pipe that was put in
in the 30s and 40s. Um so, there's all
kind of like the lowhanging fruit that
would require a permit. It's all
replacing existing stuff that's aging
and
>> Are they doing anything else though?
Because it seems like it's just like
really low and it goes over the road.
It's it's just the pipes that are the
problem there. Um, seems like it's more
than that.
>> Pipes and inlets. So, we weren't allowed
to um really increase collection
capacity as part of this.
>> Oh.
>> Um, because if we did, we've well the
water quality bureau would flag it and
we'd have issues. So, we we scaled like
way back. Um, and they still flagged it
and had issues. So, I'm glad we didn't
get more aggressive than we did. Um but
we do we we applied for and are um
supposed to receive a $2 million
planning and design grant which is all
towards the u an H&H study which is a
hydraulic and hydraologic analysis of
the entire wershed they contribute to
harbor city
>> and a complete redesign of the storm
management system all of which will
require extensive permit so that is a
longer running program that's just to
fund the design and the planning part
the clean water funding which which is
the $3 million you can use towards
construction and saw costs. That one,
you needed to spend the money. You
needed to have a contract awarded by a
certain date to lock the funding.
>> So, it was like, "All right, let's let's
replace what we can replace now because
we're going to get $3 million a year.
That's what we qualify for. We have like
$50 million worth of infrastructure
replace. So, let's replace what we can
replace now and then we'll circle back
with that other money and we'll do a
full analysis of everything and figure
out how to reconfigure the system going
forward." So, we did try to target areas
that we thought would qualify for
enlargements. A couple areas we had like
existing 15s and there's nothing
necessarily wrong with that, but we
upsized it to 18s. Just trying to, you
know,
>> we know where we're going. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, so yeah, that that was one of them
that was flagged. So, we actually had to
like flatten the pipes out a little bit
to so that the capacity of those 18s
were not more than fires.
>> Um, but it's a lot of gymnastics to try
to, you know, make the numbers work on
page. So,
>> okay.
>> Um, but yeah, we're trying to spend the
money as wisely as possible and get the
city as much of it as possible as we can
get because that that program will not
go on forever. And we can get $3 million
in FY26 and we think we can get $3
million in FY27. And again, we got $50
million in need. So, that gets you a
little more than 10% of the way there.
So, um, you know, if we can get that
locked in and then continue to do the
longer term planning and permitting,
that's that's our approach.
>> Okay. I was just I just wanted to make
sure it would would um help not hinder
the situation over there because that's
pretty very bad over there. Very bad.
>> Yeah, no doubt. And um yeah, I mean we
we did a little preliminary work to try
to figure out what the numbers were
going to be, but again we were kind of
limited in in the scope of what we could
do. And even in the conservative
approach we took, we still got flagged
and had to justify a bunch of stuff. So
like I said, I'm glad we didn't get more
aggressive because we really go got
jammed up.
>> So
>> thank you.
>> Sure. Um,
>> okay.
>> I have a quick question pertaining to
the uh the terraces as well too. When
you guys run uh you guys are doing
operations on the terraces, are you guys
contacting ACUA uh to let them know
because I know they just did it happened
two weeks ago or three weeks ago, but
ACUA uh they skipped the whole entire
terrace and there was there was numerous
people that were calling me that just so
happened. Yeah. Trash pick up. When
we've met with American work to plan out
these projects, we've asked them to make
sure that they coordinate the basic way.
It's not us doing it. It's there doing
it. So, we think and we rely on them
doing it, not necessarily. Any issues
though should probably come to me. If
you hear anything and then I'll be able
to get the SUA,
individuals who kind of round things up
like that or fix things like that right
away.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Only you.
>> Yeah. That's the best way because you
ask them to do that kind of make sure
that you know you coordinate because
we're going to have those issues. I've
even volunteered public works to bring
them to the to the end of the street if
we need to and then bring them back
because I have who gets what can'ts.
They just sometimes they miss
>> right. Yeah. Yesterday I had to go drive
around find them and then tell them like
hey don't forget it. They told me they'd
drive through it check it out. They did
and they came back so it worked out.
>> If he doesn't answer his phone you can
find him at the lake.
>> All right. in a perpetual state of
construction. I mean, American
waterfall.
>> Yeah. I mean, they they made a
commitment to the city that they were
going to spend almost $15 million over
the next 10 years. So, they're going to
spend a million half dollars here a year
on average, which is a lot of work. Um,
but yeah, I mean, when we talk to our
contracts in Jersey American, they're
telling us, oh, our policy is this and
we do this and we do this and then they
have to sub work out to Pioneer Pipe or
other contractors. So, they have to
explain it to them, but you know, the
message always doesn't make it to the
guy if you got
>> when there's a local issue. New Jersey
American, they're happy to address it,
but you know, it doesn't it doesn't
always translate to the guys there.
Sorry. That's cool. Um, okay. So, um,
see, two more things. Um, we are trying
to get our survey lined up for the
section of Camp Street and the section
of Burger Street that are appointed by
the, um, FY2026 municipal aid. So,
that's um, we'll try to get that in this
year. Worst case scenario will be next
spring. Um
see oh and then uh the tower site. So
we uh we took the developers um latest
uh plans which I requested um just for
for context for everyone for for council
and and the general public um the stage
that the developer is in right now is
going through permit. So we uh we met
with them they have been working on
concept plans. They have been working on
uh soil borings and everything else
that's needed um to advance the project.
Um and they have to put on paper
anything that they might ever do. Um
because if you don't get it permitted
now, it's very difficult to go back and
permit it later. Um especially because
the rules keep changing and getting
harder seemingly every now. Um so uh the
the res or the the um the resident who
came up earlier and spoke about um the
potential for development they were near
some of the the single family homes in
Deer Street. Um from from my
conversation with the developer I I
don't think that's anywhere near the top
of their list. I don't know that they
think that will ever happen. Um but they
want to put it on a plan and they want
to get it permitted now because it's
much easier to do it now as part of this
larger, you know, overall push um than
it would be to to try to circle back and
figure out something. But so I mean he's
he's really trying to maximize um the
plan he's putting forward and get
everything permitted and then sort of
circle back and you know execute um the
the project that he's you know really
envisioned. Um so I I hand it out back
to council and I'll show it from the
photo.
Um so this is the copy of the developer
plan um literally the complete copy
block from an engineer. Um what this
shows is um the entire redevelopment
area the city has designated. Um there's
a couple of areas that are privately
owned that are you know that's why these
pieces are here. Um all of this green
area is wetlands and wetland buffers
that will be preserved. that is 60 plus
acres or about 60 acres of the site. The
whole site is a little over 90 acres. Uh
the development portion is about 32 34
acres depending how you count it. Um
this red area is a former landfill that
existed um was clo and was ceased to
operation at some point in the 60s or
70s. Um this landfill is not currently
closed. Um closed is an official term
that the D uses um to indicate that all
the testing was done and a closure plan
was approved and executed either with
clean fill cap or impervious liner or
whatever the um you know the
contaminants and and whatever the
material in the landfill um requires to
to prevent further damage and ecosystem.
So the city at some point in time was
going to have to go in to where that
that entire red area and likely clear it
and likely uh place a cap on it whether
it's 2 claim fill or impervious cap or
otherwise. Um we were going to have to
deal with that at some point and there's
some funding for the investigation
portion. There's very little funding for
the redevelopment. um as part of this
redevelopment project, the redeveloper
took that on um has been investigating
it and is working through the closure
process as part of his project. Um he
has proposed parking areas on top of the
landfill. That's one of the very few
things that you can do. You can't put
any um facilities, you can't put any
residential, you can't can't really do
anything like that. Uh parking and solar
are really the primary things that you
see on top of most landfills. Um, so
again, that's a six plus acre area that
the city was going to have to clear and
do something with anyway and spend a lot
of their own money and now they've been
able to engage with a developer who is
is taking that on as part of the
process. Um, so the yellow areas are
areas that would be ready to develop.
The red again is the landfill. Um, this
smaller green band here is an area that
the developer could clear if he wanted
to, but is proposing to preserve to try
to, you know, offer the site a little
privacy and provide a little buffer. Um,
he's going to try to keep some
vegetation in the landfill area. He may
have to clear that and reveate, but
then, uh, on how the the closure plan
ends up going with TP, but his intent is
to to keep a vegetated buffer around the
site. Um and again he's he's clearing
and developing about a third of the
overall site less. Um so this is the
portion that the developed previously in
the top left corner of New Dear Street.
Again that's not at the top of their
list but it was part of the
redevelopment area. It's upland area so
it's technically developable. So he
wanted to to get something permitted
there as part of this process just so
that you know if this thing goes gang
busters and he's really you know pushing
for space he does have an area where he
can expand the operation. So he's really
just doing that just proposed this isn't
something that he definitely wants right
there because I was just going to
suggest couldn't it be down in the light
green area down by Washington Avenue.
>> Can't do it
>> as you can't the light green is all
wetlands and wetlands buffer. So he's
maintaining uh he did not go in for
what's called a buffer reduction model
where you can try to squeeze the buffer
size down to get more available area. He
stuck with the default 300 foot buffer
for wetlands for all of the wetlands.
>> Anything in green you can't use.
>> Oh because I thought there's two
different shades of green and I thought
the other shade is
>> up near the site up near Moss Mill. I'm
sorry. Yeah, up near Moss Mill Road.
Right.
>> Um down near Washington. Right. Right up
on Moss Mill Road. that area could be
cleared and developed in theory
>> as opposed to the other,
>> right? But it again that that would kind
of take away he's trying to buffer the
facility so you're not staring right
into this parking lot and there he's
trying to maintain a vegetative buffer
around the site,
>> right?
>> So from the road you're not going to see
a whole lot.
>> That's the idea. Yeah.
>> But I was just saying if push came to
shove,
>> right,
>> could still move it.
>> Yeah.
>> As opposed to putting it in between. And
again, this this plan hasn't been
presented to the city formally in any
capacity. He chose to go through the
pine lines process first like and get
that to completion before he comes in to
the city's landing board. That is where
we have discussions about impacts to
residents and traffic circulation. Yeah.
So management and all of that stuff. So
like I I don't have storm management
calculations. I don't have any of the
things that ultimately will be reviewed.
And I'd say I because I am the land
sport engineer planner.
>> Um so ultimately all of that stuff will
get submitted. We'll have all of those
discussions. Uh anyone within 200 feet
will get a notice that there's a public
hearing about this development project.
They're welcome to come and and speak
the peace. Um there's a whole uh land
use board which is all residents of
Arbor City. Um so they're they're all
there to hear concerns and vote on. Um
and you don't they don't have to just
vote up or down and approve or deny.
They can have discussions with the
developer. They can put requirements in
the resolution that he make certain
alterations or something as a condition
of approval. Um so everything that's
here is not like locked in. This is just
what the developer is seeking a permit
for from the Pance Commission. And
again, when you're going for a permit,
you you push the boundary as far as
you're going to possibly go because you
don't want to have to go back. So, I
just wanted to provide some context and
some some a visual of what you know this
actually looks like.
>> Thank you.
>> Sure. And in an effort to give full
transparency to this project, you um you
shared this that without the colors,
>> correct? prior to this and that's what
kind of started everyone's concern and u
I understand that but we're at a point
now where we haven't had a formal as you
said
>> yeah
formally received any plans I I asked
the developers engineer for just like a
courtesy set so we could you know have
an understanding of how things are going
so they're working in the finance
process they're they're refining their
plans and making revisions so I just
wanted to to see where they're at the
land use board hasn't received these the
city hasn't received these But there's
been no formal submission. So,
>> there's there's one other thing that has
come out uh since we've been talking
about this in public here. Um this tower
site the mayor put together and we could
post this online or we could do whatever
we we want to do with this. Share it. Uh
but it it talks about everything that's
happened on this site.
>> Yeah. since May of 2009.
>> Right.
>> And all the different projects that were
proposed and most of them or all of them
have not come this far.
>> Yeah.
>> Until until we're at where we are today.
>> Yes.
>> And we're still not to a point where any
formal presentation has been made.
>> So there there was a whole bunch of red
endangered species work that had to be
done for various plants and animal
species. There was snake study. There
was numerous plants. Uh there's Bardowl
study, all kinds of other work that had
to go in prior to the finance
submission. Um Bardowl, for example,
requires a spring and typically a spring
and fall study. The snake study runs
like four to five months through the
season. So yeah, I mean there's a whole
lot of prefill.
He's got to deal with DP solid waste. Um
there's a whole bunch of I want to say
about $200,000 worth at this point worth
of environmental investigative work
which again had to happen one way or the
other because it's ultimately the city's
obligation to close the Steinfill at
some point. Um so you know the fact that
he's taken that on um you know relieves
the city of a pretty significant
>> and the asphalt cap is is permitted to
cabin
>> correct. Yeah. depending on what the
contaminants are and what's going on
with the olive plume underneath. Um,
sometimes you have to put an imperial
liner over the entire landfill. Um, from
our studies that were conducted at this
site in the early 2000s to mid 2000s,
uh, we found that it was primarily
household producible waste, which means
the stuff you throw in trash in the
trash at home. Um, and there wasn't
really any significant contaminants of
concern. There was no um, no significant
like groundwater contamination or plume.
Um but again that was a preliminary
investigation. So as part of this the
full environmental study will be
conducted to make sure that there is no
bloom of contaminants you know washing
downstream underground to people's wells
or to to other um you know to other
sensitive receptors. So you know if we
if we're not advancing this project the
city's not in a hurry to close this
landfill only because it's a significant
financial obligation. And to put that in
concept context, how much do you think
it would cost to cover that landfill?
>> I mean, just the investigative work to
this point has been $200,000 just to
like
>> that's not doing any remediation, right?
>> Correct. That's not the cap. That's not
the closure plan. That's not even
finishing.
>> So, we're talking millions.
>> Millions easily.
>> Yep.
>> Do they have an LSRP
working on it already?
>> Yeah, they have. They engaged GZA who
actually did the um site work for the
coal gasification site over by the
city's train station.
>> So they've done extensive environmental
work in city
>> and unless we could get grants for that
that would be a city expense tax
>> and typically uh as I said the
investigative portion you can get grants
for. We've actually worked with the
developer to secure grants to help you
know ease the the burden of the cost of
that because it's still property. Um,
but on the on the remediation side,
typically the most you can get is 25% or
so. You have to kind of like what we're
doing at the Antarctic landfill. You
have to engage with a developer who has
a financial end use which will bring you
know money to the project. So we've
engaged with a solar developer over
there and now they're going through the
same process and again they're going to
take on that obligation to help get the
city's landfill closed um and you know
have a funding source which will mean
solar generating facility which will go
on top of the landing. So for for most
municipalities for this type of project,
it's a huge burden to come up with a
couple million dollars to try to close
the landfill without some kind of
productive reuse at the end. So, you
know, to think that the city was just
going to go in here and clear this
little uh land clear this six plus acre
landfill area and just deal with that
and not do anything with this site is
is, you know, just frankly not how these
usually go. There needs to be some kind
of financial incentive to push the
landfill closure to to actually happen,
right? How is the infrastructure grant
going for that? Excuse me. Don't we have
something?
>> Sure. So, we applied for a very specific
funding source which was for
infrastructure upgrades to support movie
production studios. So, as you can
imagine, there were very few applicants.
>> Um, we were one of them. I think we were
one of either six or seven recipients at
the state and I think we were one of the
largest awards. Um, and it was to uh
improve infrastructure. I think the the
application and vision along Mosmo Road
um to to add where possible curb,
sidewalk, lighting, uh roadway
improvements if we need like an
acceleration deceleration lane for for
widening. Um so that that was what that
funding source was for. So
>> we did get it.
>> Yeah, we we did get that grant. Um we're
still working with the developer is as
as they continue to modify their plans,
we don't want to lock anything in place
and go out and build it and then he, you
know, revised his plans and we're doing
something different. So, um, we're kind
of waiting for that process to wrap up
so we have plans that everyone's
comfortable with and the city approves
and then, you know, we can sort of
circle back and figure out how we're
going to make those infrastructure
improvements to support the project.
>> And how long do we have to use that
money for the grant?
>> Uh, as far as I know, it was supposed to
be 12 months from the final execution of
the agreement and we've been working
with them. The execution agreement will
essentially be when everything's in
place,
>> right? Yeah. So, we'll wait until then.
>> Thank you.
>> Okay.
>> Thank you.
>> Question.
>> That was great.
>> Thank you.
I appreciate
>> anything else on your engineer.
>> That's it for me.
>> Okay.
>> Thank you. I won't miss you again. I say
>> no offense.
>> But I will refer to the uh administrator
on number 14. You're asking for that to
be table?
>> Yes, please.
>> Okay. Is there a motion to table?
>> I'll make a motion.
>> We'll second it.
>> Motion made second. All in favor?
>> I
>> Okay. Was that I for or against?
>> What was the
>> four?
>> Four. Okay. So, motion passes. Uh it's
taped number 15 is a resolution to allow
qualified purchasing agent
uh QPA to award Windows contract.
>> You want to go explain that?
>> Can you uh elaborate?
>> So basically the our bid threshold is
53,000 but the stake paytoplay threshold
is 17,500. So this rather than have to
do a nonfair and open resolution when we
need something like we just did to do
for the pipe at the last council
meeting, this would allow me to award
those contracts that go up to the
threshold.
>> What's the window steel?
>> It means between the 175 and the 53
window. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Makes makes more sense.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Is there a motion?
>> Yeah.
Second.
>> Second.
>> Motion made. Seconded. All in favor?
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Roll call.
>> Doby,
>> yes.
>> Yes.
>> Pessie,
>> yes.
>> Kener,
>> yes.
>> Ortiz,
>> yes.
>> Timbers,
>> yes.
>> And Miss Galloway,
>> yes.
>> Resolution passes.
>> Number 16 is resolution to renew the
treeman contract.
>> Is there a motion?
>> Some moved.
>> Second. Motion made. Seconded. Roll
call, please.
>> Doy,
>> yes.
>> Heist,
>> yes.
>> Cassie,
>> yes.
>> Kenir,
>> yes.
>> Ortiz,
>> yes.
>> Timbers,
>> yes.
>> And Goway,
>> yes.
>> Uh, resolution passes. Number 17 is also
recommended to be tabled. Um, you want
to elaborate on that, Brian or Jody?
>> Yeah, it was it was really just lining
up the financials to uh we received this
grant in December. It's not like an
emergency to award it. Um it's kind of
scattered all over the place in town. Um
and we received less than we applied
for. So um the city's going to have to
cover this off us. So just give us some
time to figure that out.
>> Yep.
>> Okay. Is there a motion to table?
>> Second.
>> Motion made and seconded.
>> Um all in favor?
>> Motion to table.
Um number 18 is a resolution for the
annual recycling grant application.
>> Every year um we have to apply for the
recycling tonnage grant and that is
based on our um recycling rates and also
based on reports we get from um like
commercial um recyclers as well. So that
ACA prepares it for us and submits it on
our behalf but we have to pass a
resolution to apply it.
>> Motion moved. Second.
>> Motion made and seconded. All in favor?
>> I oppos.
>> Resolution passes. That was for in
favor.
>> Okay. Number 19, a resolution approving
the fourth amendment to the agreement of
sale between Atlantic Motion Picture
Studios LLC by Jonathan Saker and the
city of Aar City and authorizing the
mayor and the city clerk to execute the
amendment on behalf of the city.
Questions?
>> I have questions.
>> Go ahead.
>> Oh, yeah. I guess it's a question. Um
the the ordinance is it this is a
resolution, right? Resolution.
>> Yes. So the resolution for the
settlement will be in one year and I I'm
thinking settlement should be
sooner than that if he gets his his
approval because it's based on him
getting his Pineland certificate filing
that he would go to settlement. But the
way this reads it reads it as settlement
in April 30th of next year. So I think
it's
>> So can that be on or before or no later
than?
>> Yeah, my understanding is intended to be
by April 30th, not on.
>> Well, it says on
>> and I did confer with uh Mr. Orlando
about this, Alena. And he said that he
actually recommended us do the year
because
if it goes another three months and we
keep doing monthly, right,
>> or three months at a time,
>> it it'd be easier to just do this. We
don't know what Pineland is going to do,
how long the land use board's going to
take and all that kind of stuff. So
>> yeah,
>> but my understanding is he's he is to
settle with us on the land
>> when he gets a certificate of filing by
the pine lands.
>> 10. Yes.
>> Okay.
>> So yeah, I think to your point, why
don't you be honorable
>> owner before? Yes.
>> I mean, I have no problem giving that
here now.
>> It can be. Yeah.
>> Right. So with that addition, you want
to put that in?
>> Yeah, definitely.
>> Okay. Uh, is there a motion based on
that uh comment?
>> I'll make a motion.
>> Second.
>> Motion made and seconded. Uh, roll call,
please.
>> Doby,
>> yes.
>> Christ,
>> yes.
>> Cassie,
>> yes.
>> Kener,
>> yes.
>> Ortiz,
>> yes.
>> Tempers,
>> yes.
>> Galloway,
>> yes.
>> Resolution passes. Uh number 20, the
public hearing on ordinance number
seven, calendar year 2026 to extend the
m municipal budget appropriation limits
and establish a cap bank. Is there a
motion to hold a public hearing?
>> Motion second.
>> Motion made second. All in favor?
>> I
Okay, our public hearing is now open for
ordinance number seven. And Jody, you
just want to explain that uh to
everybody.
>> Oh,
very
>> sorry. I feel like I say this every
year. Um basically it just allows the
state sets um an appropriation cap of
the read the max well that changes every
year, but the max you can do is three
and a half%. You don't have to go up to
that. It just allows you to do that. and
also allows you to bank it for future
years if you pass this ordinance. So we
always have that we can have it back if
>> Okay. Anyone wish to be heard?
>> First call. Second call. Anyone wish to
be heard? Seeing none, is there a motion
to close the public hearing?
>> Motion made and seconded.
>> Second.
>> All in favor?
>> Is there a motion to adopt?
>> Second. Motion has been made and
seconded to adopt. Roll call, please.
>> Dovy,
>> yes.
>> Yes.
>> Pessie,
>> yes.
>> Kenir,
>> yes.
>> Ortiz,
>> yes.
>> Timbers,
>> yes.
>> And Galloway,
>> yes.
>> Okay. Uh, number 21 on our agenda is to
pay the bills. Is there a motion?
>> Make a second.
>> There's your main second it. Uh, roll
call, please.
>> Doby.
>> Yes. Heist.
>> Yes.
>> Pessie,
>> yes.
>> Kener,
>> yes.
>> Ortiz,
>> yes.
>> Timbers,
>> yes.
>> And
>> yes.
>> Okay. Bills are paid. Number 22 is
public comment. Anyone wish to be heard?
>> First call. Anyone wish to be heard?
>> Yeah, it's open.
>> Everything and anything.
>> We do have a threem minute uh window.
And the thing is it's public comment.
So, uh, council,
uh, really can't give you answers at
this point, but we'll hear what you have
to say and we'll take it into
consideration.
>> Okay. Well, apparently there's an
agreement of sale on
>> email address, please.
>> Name and address for the record.
>> Dan, you don't know me.
>> For the record,
>> Dan, 5930
Dear Street. So I assume there's an
agreement of sale and it sounds like
they extended it for a year. Is that
what happened? The agenda
>> there's a redevelopment agreement in
place which is extended to allow for the
private process.
>> Oh, I see. So they were supposed to
settle sooner or soon.
>> We don't really want to get into
discussion.
>> Is that something that the public can
see this agreement sale?
>> Sure. It's public record.
>> Yeah. And is that posted somewhere?
>> You can make an Oprah request for it.
>> We can we can let the sale. You can
certainly make our over request.
>> Okay, that'd be interesting to see. Um,
I guess that's all I have. I just
>> Okay, thank you.
>> Thank you.
Anyone wish we
>> Okay. Hello. My name is Megan Beyond. I
live in Egg Harbor Township. Um, I am a
member of a group called Indivisible. I
want to start by saying the energy in
here. So, I'm not sure if you guys heard
about the data center in Vinland. You
guys are so much warmer and more
welcoming.
Like, it's insane. It's like night and
day. So, like I think that that's a
beautiful thing like the open discussion
that you're promoting. Um, regarding the
film studio, I came today to check it
out. Spoke to him in the parking lot.
Very, very charming. But, um,
>> we think so, too.
But like I do have concerns regarding
like just
I don't know seeing what's happening
like to our world and seeing land be
developed like I think it's really
important to take a second and to really
consider those factors especially I'm
not sure if you've ever seen but like
maps of New Jersey when you look at the
Pinelands it looks sacred like it's one
of the only like undeveloped parts of
basically like New Jersey and it's
really beautiful land that you guys have
in this city. So, I just think making
sure to really consider like these
factors and being like, okay, like cuz
this thing can be developed, but what if
it's on something that already exists?
Like what if it's on I know I know you
guys mentioned it might be like the last
like the red developing lands. I'm not
familiar with all the terminology, but
like if there are other potential
options of where to put it, if there's
something else to be done in regards to
it or just making sure it's very
thoroughly thought out.
>> That's all.
>> Well, we appreciate you coming.
>> Yeah. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Anyone wish to hear anyone else?
So, McCondell, 426 Hamburg Avenue. Um,
kind of in touch with the tower project,
but would the city be willing to sign or
create an ordinance to ban data centers?
>> Sorry, sorry.
>> Yeah,
>> we can take that into consideration. As
I said, you know,
>> I don't think it's something we would
want to decide right now. And
>> I'm not saying like right now you must
you must answer my question, but
>> there really no place to put it that
Saturday.
>> They're crazy. It's like gold.
>> Yeah. You mean in regards if the
facility were fail and then like because
I know that's been stated in the past
people had said that if it failed then
it's just going to be another data
center which I mean if it would fail or
if somebody else
>> this site is nowhere near the
>> right but anorage they would need
>> I mean it could be any other privately
owned land too in the town that they
might want to do this
>> there's no other land right
>> yeah the the off land parcels you have
none of them are big enough with a
contiguous area to join.
>> A lot of our land is wet.
>> I'm just asking for an extra layer of
protection for the town, the residents,
the neighboring res.
>> The whole thing is asking a Carver to
sign an ordinance for data, you know,
data centers. Then we should ask Mullica
to sign
Galloway and
>> we should ask and you know what I mean?
If we're going to turn around and put
that blanket on Egg Harbor, then we
should extend it to all of Atlantic
County.
>> Just because we're putting this in,
shouldn't put that blanket over ice.
>> That's my personal opinion.
>> I definitely think that Mullica should
as well.
>> Um I do have an engineering question.
Sorry. Um
>> and this is not my realm, so I'm sorry.
Um Hamburg Avenue has, I believe, three
bridges
on it. Has there been any load testing
on them in regards to this project?
Because the construction or the the
trailer entrances are right now on the
designs all on Hamburg Avenue. So, has
there been any check on?
>> Yeah, please go ahead.
>> So, uh all bridges in Atlantic County
are controlled by the county. So, the
county maintains them. They do
inspections. Um, until they are derated,
they're assumed to have a weight limit
truck rating, which is an 80,000lb
truck, which in the worst case scenario
is actually not a tractor trailer
because the load is spread over a large
area. It's a concrete truck or a loaded
triacle. Um, to like an asphalt truck,
things like that. That those are the
heaviest trucks on the road. Um, so if
the county derates a bridge, they have
to post it in advance so that no trucks
go that way. Um, so I mean we could
reach out to the county and confirm, but
as far as I'm aware the bridges are not
derated. There's no sign trusted. So we
have no reason to believe that their
capacity estimates.
>> Hoping when they drive over.
>> Well, we'll confirm with the county, but
yeah, if um if the county had a concern,
if they did an annual inspection and
found that the bridge had um, you know,
substandard elements or had degraded or
whatever, um, they would go up and and
post it um, for years. the old Ohio
Avenue bridge going from Venice Park to
Atlantic City had a rating of 12,000 lbs
or 20,000 lbs, whatever it was. Um, so
again, if there's not a weight limit
posting stating otherwise, the weight
limit is 80,000.
>> Okay. Thank you. And just thank also for
the added police on Hamburg.
>> I feel it's like much better when I run
it every day on this. So much better.
Thank you.
>> Thank you. Thank you.
>> I have one more question.
>> All right. Uh, I'm looking I my eyes
weren't very good, but I looked at this
plan and it looked like there's nothing
of lost snow.
There's no entrance. Oh, okay.
>> The landfill is closed.
>> Oh, I see. Okay. The same plan I told
you.
>> Correct. This is literally just
that's for discussion of the plan. All
right.
>> Anyone else wish to be heard?
Okay. Uh
start on this this uh place.
>> I have nothing.
>> Nothing.
>> I just want to say thank you to the
people who've been showing up at
meetings. It's I attend hundreds and
hundreds of meetings every year. And
well, often people are afraid to get up
and speak their mind on an issue. And I
just wanted to thank everybody for
showing off and being respectful because
I've also seen people be very
disrespectful to their elected public
officials. So, thank you very much.
>> I don't have anything in particular. Uh,
is there a motion to adjurnn?
>> I make a motion.
>> Second.
>> Motion made second. All in favor? I
opposed.
I have
respectful
but I think you The