10-14-21 Council Meeting

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from september 23rd 2021 council
meetings
all in favor
all right this time we'll go to public
comment on any of the items on the
agenda just so everybody is aware this
is the time that if there's something on
the agenda that you need to question or
comment about
this is when you do it and the public
comment at the end of the meeting
that's if you have an announcement
that's happening in town or something is
going on but if we already approve
something on the agenda and you comment
on it it's not going to do us any good
so we need to know your questions and
your concerns prior to us approving the
agenda items
does that make sense
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um let's go to public comment does
anyone in the public have a comment on
anything on the agenda
please come to the podium and state your
name and address yes ma'am
i'm stefania keener 459 chicago avenue
and corporate city new jersey
i watched presume and i've read this
stuff can you explain to the people in
the public number 22
moving on
for the short-term rentals
angel do you want to do that
um
so number 22 is for the city to regulate
short-term rentals the short-term
rentals are basically the airbnb
and so the way the ordinance is
um we need to file an application with
the city so we know
who you're renting to
what type of unit it is how many
vehicles you have we have an application
fee
also there'll be an inspection once you
um tell us that you're renting your
property and the inspections will be
done every six months and there's a fee
for all that
the important part of this ordinance is
that it has to be an owner-occupied
unit so in other words if i have a house
and i want to rent out a room or
something then i can do that but i have
to let the city know that i am doing it
i have to let the city know who am i
renting it to for how long
and also importantly it's only for 28
days or less
so this has nothing to do with
rentals over the long term has nothing
to do with any kind of rental properties
that people have three stories rental
buildings this is just for your home
what precipitated that was there
complaints that you have airbnbs
and they thought two things one we
should regulate it so that the city
knows who's there
but two the city was incurring fees for
trash collection etc so the city should
recoup some of those fees back
well to my knowledge mostly all of it is
front houses so they're not airbnb
there are people that have a home that
they're running out
all up and down streets to college
students
so
i mean there are many of them and that's
not an airbnb that's somebody who owns
their property and they're running it to
multiple people and they're not living
in it
well the ordinance specifically provides
that if you have one of these rentals it
has to be owner occupied you have to
show proof of owner occupation if you
don't have owner occupation then you do
not get a permit you're not permitted to
rent it
that's not an airbnb though those are
just rentals
i said it was similar to an airbnb
that's the closest i can get to what
this ordinance is but it is a short-term
owner-occupied rental and also it
provides people with an opportunity to
to rent out a part of their house that
they're going away on vacation and make
some money from
to be perfectly honest some people
need the money they want to rent it and
we do not want to provide those people
the opportunity to do that
well it does create a hardship though
for the
people that live near that i mean
according to mr mullen now with the land
use board there are eight flat houses in
antwerp city a frat house is completely
different than this i'm not sure what
you need by a frat house
it could be a rental and designated as
such as a rental that's not what this
ordinance regulates it does not regulate
rentals per se this is a short term 28
day or a next that's it that's all
regularly
and how many of those do you anticipate
or actually in a car city
i don't know i mean um it could vary
it could be one week it could be one a
month we just don't know
so you're just making this ordinance as
a blanket thing to protect the city in
the future i told you we are
implementing this ordinance for two
reasons one to safeguard the residents
to defray the costs and three to
regulate
any of these that are occurring in the
city so the city has knowledge of who
it's being rented to
how many people are there so that the
police know if there's something going
on they can go we can pull the
application and we'll not
thank you thank you
i was going to save my comments for when
it came up on the agenda however
i'm not quite sure how this is getting
spun and i would like to compliment
angela on writing a very thorough
ordinance which i did state before
however
it's being spun as something that
protects the residents
and gives some control to the city but
actually if you read the ordinance it
says here
the egg barber city council seeks to
permit transient accommodations
or short-term rental use of certain
legally permitting dwelling units
that's the intention of this ordinance
to allow short-term rentals in a carver
city that's the bottom line okay now my
comment left at the last meeting was
i do not want to live next to an airbnb
as many people in a harper city probably
do not want to also because of the
negative effects that we've seen with
such things as frat houses okay there
will be parking issues there will be
trash issues there will be noise issues
okay
and these are things we the council
could have easily considered not to
allow
short-term rentals in a barber city
angela you did confirm the last time
that there are some communities that do
have ordinances like that that do not
allow them in their communities is that
correct
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yeah
so
this in fact allows short-term rentals
in a carver city
it's the ancillary effects that we're
trying to promote here and it's been
spun in the newspaper that we're trying
to protect the residents and give some
teeth to you know allow the police
department to
have some
you know
oversight on this which
i mean we have a hard time uh
controlling the 736 rentals we already
have in carper city
i mean it's very hard for our code
enforcement which are two part-time
people to keep up with this
and now
when you have airbnb which according to
donna we have none in a barber city
um
you know once it's once the ordinance
allows it who knows
that's only my opinion i don't vote on
such things
but i do care about the citizens of egg
barber city i always make decisions
based on
what i would want to live next to or
what i would think is a good thing and i
just don't think it's a good thing
i mean it could be
but i just don't think it is
with all due respect i disagree
with everything you said
um
the way i'm understanding it is right
now like harvard from going on airbnb
which i did personally there are no
airbnbs however if we had an ordinance
that says
you have to register for an airbnb if i
decide i'm going to go to europe for a
month and i want to rent my house
to this person here's the credentials
here's how you get ahold of me if we
don't do this there's nothing that says
that airbnbs aren't going to come into
our town they can still come into our
town and they can still
rent their places out and they're not
going to have any boundaries to say you
can only rent for 28 days you have to
pay this license fee we have to be able
to contact you
she could go away for a month rent her
house to somebody who turns around and
has parties every night we have no idea
how to get a hold of her we have no idea
who the person is living in our house
for those days and i think the idea of
the ordinance committee was to nip it in
the bud before it became something that
was uncontrollable and we didn't have
boundaries and guidelines
so that's the way i understood it as
explained to me
everybody perceives things differently
but
kim what was your
question do you want me to stand up
everybody
and the reason being is
an airbnb as you had said to me before
they actually have some kind of
oversight correct so do we really need
as much oversight for airbnb
so to me
they will be doing so i'm concerned that
there will be
other
angles that people will be using this 28
days for or how many other things that
they've used
that's my concern
and because of that
i am not in agreement with that but if
someone does that and they're not
registered here that gives them
a leg to stand on to go to the owner of
that property and find them because
they're not registered with us as
renting their property
for a 28-day spin under the short-term
rental agreement i understand what
you're saying however are people are
they even going to know that people are
renting from them will they know
leveling up they don't want anybody to
know
people changing
they tell you
they they tell people telling this down
everybody so whether they tell or they
don't tell it really doesn't matter
because it's he said she said so how are
they gonna get the money
so was your position that you should not
regulate airbnbs yes that's my position
not that we shouldn't have just
shouldn't write you there
well if you as you had said before you
can't stop them correct
so what i'm saying is stop them as
angela just confirmed by making an
ordinance it says we do not allow airbnb
this is where the confusion is coming in
i don't understand why because there are
communities
that have
according to angela
that have ordinances saying they do not
want airbnbs in their community
well then with that
i do not want
i do have airbnb
you do but i'm just saying if
you
do you want to be able to regulate them
or not regulate them
to me well that would be regulating them
not allowing them
i have several questions on this topic
your name and address please it's nick
349 buffalo avenue
um
what if the property's not owner
occupied for instance if i decide to
move to
rittenberg manor and my house is vacant
and i want to rent it out as an airbnb
would i be allowed to do that
i would not be allowed to rent out my
house for less than 28 days
right
okay that's that's my first question uh
the second question i have is will the
owner of the property
be required to inform airbnb and the
other
um
sites
that of the city's ordinance regarding
this
issue
i'm not aware what private organizations
require and don't require i'm not a
participant airbnb that would between up
the airbnb and the homework
well other other municipalities are
requiring the homeowner to inform
airbnb or any registry that they sign up
with
about the city's ordinances
and
i think airbnb uh appreciates getting
that kind of information because they
don't want crazy houses either so um
and maybe that could be added or amended
to the ordinance
no there is language in the ordinance
that provides that the homeowner notify
anyone
including the the renters and anyone
who's involved in the renter that would
cover airbnb in any third party vendor
okay i got you on record saying that
uh the other thing i wanted to know is
was there any investigation done by our
code enforcement office
regarding how many airbnbs are
registered
my understanding that it is actually
code enforcer is the one who recommended
such an ordinance
or you don't want them
well you know i think it's kind of
unconstitutional to tell a property
owner what they can do with their
property although i do believe there are
regulations that property owners should
follow so i don't think you could just
say i don't i don't know of any
municipality in these in our area that's
banned them um they do regulate them
though and part of the regulations are
to make sure that the renters know that
the city has ordinances regarding this
matter and you're required to follow
them and the third question i have is
with two part-time code enforcement
officers
how do you expect to uh enforce this if
there's there are problems that develop
with an
um that's why we charged fees
we charged um 250 for the application
the first year 200 for subsequent we
charged 75
for um inspection fees for the first and
then we're going to have inspections
every six months well that's good but
what what happens on the weekend when
code enforcement is working
what what do neighbors do if they're
having a problem with an airbnb party
going on next door to them
well that's why we
promulgated a regulation
that the homeowner has to give us
location and 24-hour contacts so that if
there is something going on the police
can fully contact information and notify
the appropriate party of what's
happening in their house that's a safety
measure
from where i sit for everyone okay all
right thanks for the question the
answers to the questions thank you
thanks for that does anyone else have
any questions
comment
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uh mike to petty to wake new orleans
avenue
just um have a couple questions about
the airbnb
it's a 20-day rental maximum correct
correct so if i have a property like my
own home and i say i want to run out 28
days and i do so
i could basically run out for 28 days
say that i
am living in it for one day afterwards
and then read it out again for 28 more
days
no that's wrong did you read the
ordinance and talked about in section um
170 120 e that you cannot rent it for
any more than 60 total nights
60 in a year
okay so is there anything else in the
ordinance that says
airbnb
um
if someone refuses to leave that
reference
what do you do at that point because in
these times with kovic right and on
rental property it's very hard to get
someone out of a property right
i'm not sure about that so so what
you're saying is a loop or right now
that if somebody i said i want to rent
my house out for one day
two days
and they move in there and now they
don't want to leave
what do i have to do to get them out of
them what you have to do is um probably
your recourse to the courts to the
courts which takes a long time
i uh i mean you know it does right i'm
an officer
they say they're from new york and
they're going to just stay down here for
a couple days like we have a situation
where people are coming down here in
their trailers parking behind the water
treatment plant to escape cover right
so i said you know what they seem like
they're nice people i'll run into them
for a couple days and they come down
here with five kids right now they don't
want to leave my property
and the next thing i know is we're
having mail sent to the house which
happens
they're enrolling their kids in our
school
which does anyone know the cost of um
educating one child in the apartment
school system
how much is it
it's not cheap well how much how much
let's be a big break okay
first of all let me explain this to you
if you're going to rent exclusively to
an airbnb corporation
that's one thing this is not you keep
saying airbnb but anybody can rent their
house to anybody as it doesn't matter
don't listen airbnb and that airbnb is
associated with ski resorts okay places
where people go for for vacation
destinations that's not a quarter city
that's not true sorry no it is people
come here and everybody eats they do
they do
there is nothing i'm telling you i know
for eight days okay
we have no way of knowing who these
people are coming into our home into our
town you guys are worried about noise
and trash what about pedophiles of
people on the run for serious crime
right do you not want to know who these
people are well
everybody rents a house if they
rent your house you have some type of
contract with this person
if they refuse to leave your house right
act upon that contract okay it's your
home right but if they don't leave that
what are the consequences because we
have how many rounds do we have in a
barber city
it's not that we're adding more you are
trying to regulate
rent their house for a short term
period instead of a long term they're
already doing it well if they don't
leave their house again how much does it
cost to educate a child
respectfully with regards to actually
registering a child for school yes the
last child that i registered he's five
years old right now okay the
requirements for registering my child i
had to show um my tax statement
i had to show a deed right as long and
along with the first certificate
immunization records and what happened
for rentals you have to show a rental
agreement
or
a rental agreement plus an academy
so say that i was this police and i
decided to live at my mom's house right
i'm not i don't have a rental agreement
with her but she will sign an after
david saying that i stay there
but you will have a rental agreement
with an airbnb so they do have the
potential their mental agreements for
schools are a certain amount of time
like they're not they can't take in a
child unless the child is deemed
homeless
for a certain amount of pain so what if
they live in a poverty city for a short
period of time
and now they're considered homeless
and now they have to go through the
board
of education
these are these are potential problems
but that would have been i would argue i
would say at least twenty
right which is another cost so now if
you live in egg harbor right and you
lose your home and they put you in a
hotel in the black horse pike
you are still coming to egg harbor
schools a harvard is responsible for
your education
the last permanent resident is who's
responsible for your education
unless you move to philadelphia then
philadelphia makes an agreement with
that barber city for the tuition-based
one until you get a permanent residence
that's how that works actually they have
tuition agreements with these landing
and other not only
yeah they do
that's how it works
so all i'm saying is right now as far as
i'm concerned i've lived in
all my life 55 years i know most of you
up here haven't lived here that long
you've only been here a few years this
is a bad idea for a barber city
okay if you go around take a ride up and
down the alleys
especially like some of the apartment
complexes the trash on fifth terrace at
the 500 block we can't even get them to
pick up trash
that is an absolute disgusting mess over
there and it's every week
and now you're going to add more chaos
to town with the short
the short staff that we have in code
enforcement and you're going to
encourage more rentals in a partner city
that we can't control now it's a bad
idea
we don't need the revenue
the public hearing
anything besides
the short-term rentals
all right
mayor do your presentation
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all right we'll move on to something a
little more pleasant tonight um i do
have if you don't mind marcel or
sergeant
i will um
swear in publicly are two new officers
who were already sworn in but do deserve
a public
swearing-in so um i'll go dalton
rosenberger boxer dalton rosenberger
dalton and
justin are two
they started with us as special police
officers
and now they are being
taken in as full-time ptc certified
officers
so we are definitely proud to have them
they've done a great job as sle of twos
and i'm looking forward to
keeping them in egg harbor city for a
very long time
okay so do we have someone that
would like to
of the united states that i'll support
the constitution of the united states
and the constitution of the state of new
jersey and the constitution of the state
of new jersey that will bear true faith
that i will bear true faith
and the government's
perform all the duties of the duties of
the office of a farmer city police
department of the office of the harvard
city police department police officer
police officers
according to the best
thank you
and i have justin is he
um
justin is currently or officer kant is
currently on duty and they just had a
call for a fight at t-rex so he is
actually
responding um
so
with that i would like sergeant ellen to
come up
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so it has always been the intention of
the former
council democratic majority to have a
chief of police in a harbor city and we
did at one time have that and there has
been a gap
since then
and
this is an opportunity right now
to have exactly what we intended to have
as a chief of police
boots on the ground if you will
back in the day we did have a chief we
had a captain
and
several sergeants when i became mayor
i promoted five sergeants and one
lieutenant
unfortunately our lieutenant has left so
we are now with four sergeants
so as i said this is an opportunity now
to
make a chief of police and it will be
right now provisionally until
the test is given and
quite sure and confident that the
sergeant passed with flying collars so
um so
i've known marcelo she has been on our
police force since 2008 and i've known
her for many years as
a you know resident a mom and her kids
are here to go to school that you guys
want
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she's always been active in our
community she cares about our community
she has been in our community since 2002
she knows all the children in our
community
she's very active in the school system
and helps out in any way she can to
promote
community
a sense of community in a harper city
so a few things i think you should know
about marcelo are
she is
i've said she's been in residence a
resident since 2002. she won't graduate
at absolutely high school and georgetown
university
camden county police academy
and the camden county police academy and
camden county police chief association
she received the america award
and also captain thomas mcdonnell award
presented to the officer who
demonstrated the highest overall
achievement
and core values that exemplify the
standard goals of law enforcement of the
law enforcement profession
she also received an exceptional service
award from the local mainland 77 ppa
and she received she is a graduate of
the command leadership academy
given by the new jersey associations of
chief of police
she
has also
extensively done eht pal
shop with a cop
every year with all the kids
she's active in coalition for a safe
community
she is a certified police academy
instructor
certified american heart association cpr
instructor
certified
tracy survival tactics instructor
certified defense tactics instructor
certified physical conditioning
instructor certified resiliency program
officer certified in fema emergency
planning
certified in law enforcement against
drugs that's our lead program
she's instructor in that
and certified verbal de-escalation
instructor her volunteerism also
includes a former cheerleading coach for
crusaders
and former hamilton township pal
dance instructor
and girl scout troop 1141
aaron volunteers 2014.
so
one thing i think is exceptional too
about marcella is
when she first started her career with a
barber city her goal was to be the chief
of police
i never knew the story until recently
but she was on her interview
and she was asked what her career goals
are and she said i want to be
the chief of police
and unfortunately she was laughed at
but as we see it's no laughing matter
because she's here tonight
waiting to assume
that position that she's always wanted
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before we go any further i neglected to
recognize
tonight we have the chief of police of
hamilton here with us tonight
thank
you
um
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do solemnly swear that i would support
the constitution of the united states
that i will support the constitution of
the united states and the constitution
of the state of new jersey and the
constitution of the state of new jersey
the government's established
the extended governments established in
the united states
and in this state under the authority of
the people under the authority of the
people that i
will faithfully
and that i will faithfully and partially
impartially and justly perform and
justly perform all the duties of all the
duties of the office of the office of
professional
according to the best of my abilities
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yes
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oh my god
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you guys look so nice
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[Applause]
and everybody here i really appreciate
this opportunity it has been a long time
coming i'll tell you the story very
quickly when i was interviewing for the
position of police officer i was uh
asked what are your career goals and i
did indeed say i'm going to be chief of
police it got a chuckle and i said i
don't know why you're laughing would you
rather have someone say they want to
keep control for life i'm like
and so i appreciate the opportunity to
have served in egg harbor city for as
long as i have um
and it truly is a community a
in this position we face challenges as
police officers and it will continue to
be a challenge um i think though through
community we are strong i'm going to
challenge you on council mayor i'm going
to challenge you we may not always agree
about everything but i do believe that
we all have the best interest of egg
harbor city at heart um i'm also going
to challenge the community this is a
partnership we cannot do this by
ourselves we are not here to police you
per se this is a partnership we need you
you need us let's do this together i'm
so appreciative i'd like to thank people
here who are here to support me members
of our department sergeant matthew
lindsay we've been through this for a
long time people who have left the
department officer carpo who had come to
support chief real you have been such a
huge support um throughout my career i
truly truly appreciate your support we
have sergeant jason kangas from the
allen prosecutor's office who is one of
our master resiliency officers um which
is an incredible program to help me team
the mental health of our police officers
um
again everyone here thank you so much
for your support i am grateful for the
opportunity and i look forward to uh
continuing
harper city
for that
yeah we're going to take a five minute
recess if anybody wants to um it's not
here for the rest of the meeting thank
you for coming thank you for supporting
um
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sustainable we okay get the sustainable
new jersey grant from atlantic elections
again this year for five thousand
dollars
we got one for ten thousand last year to
fix the damage
um i believe we're gonna identify trees
at lincoln park with that and replace
ones that are needed
also the schwarzenbach family has
requested to donate a
bench in honor of jason schwarzenbach
i'm not sure that anybody here knows him
but
his family is a long-time
so
i didn't think it would be a problem but
i guess i just
50
uh as far as candace on the line tonight
candace are you on
all right she i don't know if she wants
to talk about but there's a fence we
finally put the fence up at the library
for the mpp funding it's a very nice
fence it's very hard to get with all the
shooters that we have but
we got it
also i don't know if anyone noticed but
we do have three new businesses on
philadelphia avenue i did mention all
really fantastic i encourage everyone to
try that out we have a family dental who
i reached out to
they do want to do a ribbing cutting at
some point in time however they're
right now only open on mondays so
they'll
catch up with us later when they're
ready for that and there's a hair salon
i'm not sure that that was actually open
yet but it's on the corner where i
played shopkins
and i would also like to thank cody for
donating the shreddings this year
we didn't have any from the school so
they donated the strategies to make the
scarecrow so thanks thanks to cody
and
laura sent a revision to the lake
sales she added 342 for a camping event
so that brings the total revenue for
2021 at the lake at 115
842
we will be having a highway meeting on
monday the 18th at 6 30 in city fall
code enforcement
how about match i have the third quarter
summary uh the administrative duties
over 95 certified mail food compliance
reports 55 in-person notifications 49
inspections 237
64. write the parts issue 31 telephone
email notifications 58 tv tags issue 25
consuming reviews conducted
55 grand over 769 activities
income generated from the different fees
um
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thank you
property parks and playgrounds um
that's me again
there was a dedication on monday for the
swings in honor of george said it was
very nice john said i'm sorry john cena
was very nice his family was very
honored um very pleased with the swings
and we actually have a few kids a man
use the swings and
lilly lillian
but lindsay petrash's daughter lillian
actually fell asleep at the swing she
liked it so much so
that was a good thing the other thing is
uh peacebuilder park is in need of a new
pathway
so um we are going to um have a video
written by jody and have the pathway
replace this finding we're going to pay
for the material and the replacement's
going to be done by volunteers
um utility basic is not here
licensing
scott
but um what i'm going to do is i'm going
to reach out to the members of the
ordinance committee and i would like to
schedule a meeting along with our city
solicitor to try to get some type of
regulation on the so-called right houses
in ecbarber city
and um that's all i really have for that
as far as school board um
there's nothing there was nothing really
going on at either one of them
okay thank you thank you sport
hi
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anything on eric um
no yes um
they met in september
and at that meeting they decided that uh
future videos
uh however it won't be ready for the
next meetings which was
except for uh
uh so that will be assumed
uh but at the previous meeting
without a technology policy for
reimbursement expenses and also
um just our our quarterly meeting was
changed to
22nd
our opportunity was changed due to a
conflict
and i'm sorry but i forgot with park
city playgrounds um
there was some damage to the placebo
makes it an email this morning by this
afternoon keith had the boards up and
replaced and everything clicked up over
there so it's
i'm gonna say it's good to do but it was
as good as it is before the time which
was done
director
safety mark are you on
um
a portion of the
checklist is unscored just for
informational purposes they kind of
change they kind of modify every year
that just sort of
um
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all right mom you want to come off
all right so as i stated before justin
is uh has been sworn in already he is a
full-time ptc certified officer and
he was sworn in before
you know what we decided to make him
full-time but he does deserve to be
sworn in publicly
so hopefully mike
take some pictures of the center chart
because
you missed the parade brother
we're gonna give you guys
all right
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that i will support the constitution of
the united states and the constitution
of the state of new jersey and the
constitution of the state of new jersey
that i will bear true faith
and the government's established the
government's establishment the united
states
and in this state and in this state
under the authority of the people under
the authority of the people and that i
will faithfully know physically and
partially and partially and justly
perform and does they perform all the
duties all the duties of the office of
the office of a carnivorous state police
officer
police officer according to the best of
my ability according to the best of my
bills
so help me god congratulations once
again congratulations
[Applause]
you got it
thank you
okay so um two
um
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is
i just want to remind you when the
halloween creed is on friday october
29th uh lineup is at 6 and it steps off
at 6 30. also there's a veteran's um
celebration on november 11th
in front it's if we're not having a
parade this year it'll be in front of
the 500 o'clock
i'll fill up the avenue they're having a
ceremony out front of the american
legion
and
finally lastly i i received a letter
today from the new jersey department
environmental department of
environmental protection and um
they are they've given us 180 days to
update our flood plan i sent it to ryan
so
he said somebody would have to take the
lead in the city so i can
today ryan says you have 180 can we have
it by the next meeting
because we have to adopt that in the
same year if not we'd have to put it off
until
january
introduction
okay okay that's all i have do we have
any time for um trick or treat
we've been asked um
it's never changed i mean since i've
been here it's been halloween
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um
i just have the
number 21.
that ordinance is a companion to our
cannabis ordinance
and this ordinance provides for the fees
of the city for charges
so
we're going to charge two fees
um a sales tax fee which is going to be
2 for cultivation 2 for manufacturing 1
for wholesale and 2 for retail and we're
also going to charge a use tax which
would only be applicable if the licensee
has more than one license
so if he had people have more than one
type of license were able to charge
another two percent two percent two
percent one percent so i put that in
there so we're covered with that
um i put in there they need to apply to
carbon city
um if they are going to implement any of
the licenses of the three hundred dollar
fine uh date
to get the application going
and then um
the application will be with the city
clerk in the application they'll be who
you are what you propose did you get
your state license and a bunch of other
things that they will be compelled
so we did this now because the state
didn't come up with its regulations like
they were supposed to no surprise on
that
so we thought it best and i checked with
brian that we do this now
as far as anything else that comes up
with the regulation
going on next year
we have
and then um
the public hearing on the short-term
rental
if the council decides to table it
that's fine if you decide to vote on it
and i suggest we reopen
and finally there's a public hearing on
number 23 which is the ordinance on his
location devices
i checked with mark public safety
director
the mayor did have a question about
flocation devices but if you look
further on and you want inspire location
devices are prohibited so this is simply
for the swimming aspect of it which is
provision three of you and it's
provision for explicitly prohibits
location devices
all right engineer support
on the stretch
also
tower site they're trying to provide an
attractive review
for us um
access to the utility information
so now we're just you know we've come
back to questions
atlantic avenue did a pre-construction
meeting on october 21st
thursday
new
orleans on a subdivision
plants together
uh the former acme site i brought this
to council
the owner of the site was interested in
converting his approvals to a campus
facility
make progress move forward
contact us here and there
um route 30. they still need to contract
something to install signs stop signs
and others from various locations uh it
did that they're having a hard time
getting some of them and that they've
made communications
they said when they get there when they
get science in um they'll be able to put
them in and get homework back their
signs
electric to install some of the blade
that's supposed to go in that and then
sort of my attention forward or it will
be established
um
crosswalks
yeah so they're gonna wait for the
lights to come up once that's in they'll
come back and do that
today
industrial park there's a property that
the city might be able to sell in the
future
some field investigations
um
last month
but i also wanted to
she sent me a question
so
make sure they're not astronomically
falsely telling me
so
resolution authorizing
the rfp for egg harbor city campground
medical service
so this is the city of a hardware
seeking qualified firm for individuals
to provide management services as a
regard to a pepper city lake campground
for five years annual campaign season
beginning with the campaign season of
2022 and extending through the campaign
season of 2026. a request for proposal
has been prepared by the city and is
available for distribution to interested
parties beginning on october 16th all
responses to the rfp must be received by
the office of city department later than
one pm on november 15th
oh
all yes um we need to
advertise that result be it result of
the city clerk be authorized to
advertise and request for proposals for
the apartment city campground management
service dated october 14 2021.
gonna get emotional
okay
resolution um
number
item 15 resolution approving carbon city
towing contracts be it resolved by the
main common council they cover city that
the following towing contractors have
been to tow the apartment city for 2022
highway towing motors
and form an auto body
can i get a motion
second second
roll
yeah clark yes
heist
septon
timbers yes tribal yes
okay number 16.
you want jody to explain this is
atlantic state of new jersey hereby
request the director of division of
local government services to approve the
insertion of an item of revenue in the
budget of the year 2021 and the sum of
125 000 which is now available from this
date
can i get a motion so move
roll call
brown yeah
um
item 17 is being tabled
for tonight
do you want to explain it
the city of a harbor has a need to have
emergency winter sewer and road repairs
as a non-parent will be contract
pursuant to the provisions of njsa 1944
a 20.5 the city financial officer has
determined and certified in writing that
the value of the acquisition will exceed
17 500 and
the anticipated term in this contract is
one year from october 1st 2021 through
september 30th 2022.
cesaro associates mechanical contractors
has submitted a proposal indicating they
could provide the emergency pursuance
repairs prices on attached quotations
can i get a motion so
a second
all right number 19.
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okay all right just wanted to make sure
i was trying to help you
okay whereas the county of atlantic has
awarded a cooperative purchasing
contract to atlantic salt incorporated
for rock salt by the city council bank
harbor city in the county of atlantic
state of new jersey the city of harper
authorizes purchasing rocks all through
the cooperative
for 20 21 22 and 71.50
can i get a motion
second
protocol
is that going to be locked in
because uh suspected shortages of stuff
all right number 20.
this is the resolution authorizing
cooperative purchasing contracts the
city of apartment county of atlantic
state of new jersey has the opportunity
to utilize cooperative purchasing to
obtain discount pricing the city
purchasing agent utilizes new jersey
local finance bulletins documentation
received from source well desires to
extend the award of the contractual auto
parts should not have auto reports well
the city council of vancouver
harbor of the county in the state of new
jersey that the contract be awarded to
napa auto parks through source smoke and
purchases
for the contract period october 14th
throughout
october 14th 21 through october 13th
2023 it's for two years just to take a
note can i get a motion
second
profile brown yes clark yes stash
heist yes section yes timbers yes
yes
number 21 is
the
cannabis
um section 40 of new jersey this
regulatory enforcement assistance and
marketplace modernization act njsa
2461-31 and the njsa 40 481 i through 1
authorizes municipalities by ordinance
to adopt regulatory regulations and
establish limited taxation
cannabis activities within
within the municipalities
can i get emotions
is that yet
introducing it yes
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october 20
number 22.
okay
this is for the short term rounds
so
we have two options from how i see it
sitting in this seat we can table this
for public hearing where we bring in the
public
and they give us their concerns they
give us whether they like it they don't
like it
uh there are suggestions on what we can
do we're a party of nine we're sitting
up here and we're saying okay you have
to have a short term next year and you
have to have short term rental
honestly
i think in all fairness we should have a
public hearing but that's up to us as a
board do we want to table this for a
public hearing or do we want to create
this
i think
right
if we would have an introduction for a
public hearing what we have before was
any comment on anything on the agenda
are you referring to having a separate
thing where we would advertise where we
would have it open
like an open forum we've done that in
the past that's why i'm thinking do you
know what i'm saying a special special
meeting does everyone think that would
be fair and that way we can get
other people who aren't sitting here can
come in some people may know that
somebody next to them is running you can
come in and give us that information
so um so where we can
open up again go through we just went
through chasing our tails in my opinion
and not get anywhere it's up to you guys
what you would like to do i think it's
important that we
table it for now because during the
early part of the meeting
we stopped from having the opportunity
to discuss it so some of those people
may have been here to discuss it and
they've left so i think in all fairness
this is so what we would be doing is
tabling this
ordinance and then i would need
a motion to do that and then a motion to
advertise for a special meeting
we don't have to pick the date right now
we can work on that
and then
we would advertise the notice of this
special meeting
for a public hearing
second
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a special meeting
do you guys want to just fish around a
couple days and we can decide that
or does anybody have a date in mind yeah
i'll send out an email tomorrow
and then what would happen
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okay okay yeah
so maybe um
yeah i mean it doesn't have to be a
thursday night we've had them on tuesday
nights we've had special meetings on
other nights you know we've had them in
the daytime okay and does that sound
fair to everybody out there i know i'm
probably not supposed to just talk about
the comment but you know
i'm not doing anything really right up
here tonight so all right so you'll send
out the dates and we'll get together and
figure out what's best moving forward
yes emotional
motion
second
all right
now put it
all down
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number 23
ordinance amending
chapter 198 of the code of egg harbor
city bathing restrictions at the egg
harper city lady in harvard city wishes
to protect his residents at the city
lake when lifeguards are not on duty
um can i get a motion
it doesn't have a problem
does anyone in the public have any
comments about um swimming at the lake
at the workplace
i would just like that
okay
well what happened is that
apparently there was someone floating on
a device on the north side of the beach
and they claimed that they weren't
floating on a device
because they were with a
they weren't swimming they weren't they
weren't swimming they were floating on a
device and you're allowed to
use those types of devices on the north
side of the lake
like a canoe or
that
yeah so they claim that
that flotation device is similar and
very similar to a kayak or
we
needed clarification
my kayaks are allowed
they've always been allowed up there you
just can't come in the swimming area
which was
i thought an issue but apparently
officers
they told them when they weren't right
because they weren't swimming
they were floating so we just had to get
a little good clarification
and we do allow floatation devices
within the swimming area in the
summertime we don't allow them on the
dock they're forbidden to bring location
to voices
any more questions from the public
all right
i need a motion to adopt
the ordinance
so boom second
advertise
yes and i should advertise
all right so i need a motion to accept
the bill list
second
brokaw
brown yes clark yes sash
heist
yes septon yeah timber yes trico yes
um voluntary i'm i'm very very
happy to have um marcel promoted to the
position that she was promoted to
um
as everyone up here can recall i have
been asking
why she wasn't being promoted for months
and i was given the run around i was
given several different reasons
and
after tonight i feel it was political
councilman dash oh yeah a couple things
uh first of all uh chief bowen um
certainly uh very very happy to have her
it was a long time coming and we're
throwing that right
second thing is the playground equipment
that was dedicated to johnson i was
there with my family it was a beautiful
dedication um i'd like to thank donna
for
rolling that and helping to pick out the
event
and i knew personally that uh the
sentence found
a little bit of a hot topic the the
short-term rental thing that has gotten
very passionate
comments from both sides
um
the way i understand it there are people
that are against it because they don't
want to encourage airbnb
um there are people that
don't want to have airbnbs at all
um and i think the importance
the intention of the ordinance was to
regulate their bps that they're already
here
um
so there's there's people that don't
want airbnb to be a problem so they want
the bad there's people that don't want
airbnb the problem wrong with me
regularly
um my personal opinion is
i i don't support the ordinance and i'll
tell you why
the ordinance is written to restrict
the rights of our residents
and i don't know that demonstrated that
short-term or airbnb rentals have been a
problem in the city
um i understand that there are
definitely problem rental properties
um there's there's been a lot of talk
about the frat houses and
but there are regular rentals that are
regulated i don't i don't recall any
actual airbnb or short-term rentals
being a problem so
so i
deeperness
not because i want to encourage airbnb
peace or not because i want to ban
interviews
i oppose it because i don't think we
need to restrict the rights of our
citizens
unless there's an actually strong
i have
one problem with that
it's at the window
okay
it's only provisional because she
didn't take the text
you know she's lieutenant you know
something happens in the captain's exam
she then passes the chief we can skip
that threat
right now she has no protection she's
the sergeant civil service you can skip
one
bill laney
she's a sergeant that's two steps
that's why i don't know
i signed it by then the professionals
who you know we are required to extend
the test to every officer absolutely
or somebody else passes
okay you know that's any provisional
that you do
okay you take a test
and they dance
okay we're not and we have a list okay
so we're like we have ten things
okay my question was
if we're you know we've had for months
since um dylan left
uh you know and also in charge of this
street supervisor
not a bull bar officer a street
supervisor okay
um
or numerous
people
in this area
you're saying
absolutely
i have a field a street supervisor as
milestone charge that's one active list
why do we promote that make her
permanent rank
you know lieutenant
and then when it comes through you know
passing the test
you know you know like i said if
something happens in the captain's exam
and she passes the chief we can skip
that okay let's get one degree without
testing
that's what i'm saying it's like you
know you know and we've known for months
all of a sudden two weeks
you know
that's just cheap we've been asking and
you know
sergeant
yes sir thank you
okay so
the thing is is that we have to offer
the test
okay
whether she's promoted after my
discussion with mark everett
okay when we offered the test
sergeant allen was the only one that put
it forward
no one else did
so it didn't make much sense at the time
according to mark and i
that we should just do an intent
because there is no one else interested
in being cheap at this point in time
so it made more sense and
more of a benefit to the city of
apartment city
to have a cheaper police as we've always
wanted
okay and the question that was asked
was it
why
marcelo is not cheap i believe it was
what's going on in the police department
which is very vague and ambiguous so
without specific details
i would say that that was not a question
that was asked
so
what mark and i decided and he's not
here to talk about it but that it would
be more beneficial
to have a cheat and a lieutenant
because
what we used to have before was a chief
and a captain
so no one besides marcelo put in for the
captain either right
so that's how this all came about
something
yeah you don't have to take my
words
as
truth
you could call bill bellini yourself
and you can ask him what he advised
okay
now i know that our previous sheet
we i believe steph maybe you could talk
more about this we did waive the test is
that true
there's my point so wave
is
and then the chiefs later
to follow the you know the
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that's our fault
provisional commissioner is not
permanent
okay civil service when you're me okay
that's your specification
i was provisional captains for about
seven months i'm still a firefighter
i got to pay the cell service that's
equal to this firefighter until i his
test and i was promoted you know through
um through uh the city through the list
and then they submitted my name to be
promoted to attack and how many people's
right
um
ten
and two basically
yeah okay i understand that
but what i'm saying is
you know what i'm saying is is she's
still starting
in civil service sides she's a sergeant
as a professional
but she's only
is
you know she's
oh
no i'm not
there's a lot of steps go through for
demotion if it's what if if they're me
in other words yeah you know
she's a sergeant to demote her back into
a control man you'd have to go through a
bunch of steps for demotion
in a circle okay no disrespect to
anybody that i think we just need to
perform
and then there is no accusation
there
councilman tempers
yes
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now i just heard that um
councilman brown that council one woman
excuse me
that the promotion to chief was
political correct okay stated that when
she said the old
democratic party because the fact of the
matter is
there was someone in charge okay that
left and those procedures have to be
followed
so right now you're making another
political statement trying to say
and demoralized basically the way i feel
okay uh provisional chief baldwin that
somehow she's only being promoted
because no she's promoted because she
served
she didn't deserve to be promoted but
she received the favorite and i
continued to ask right why she
sir i wasn't being
interrupt you
when i asked
multiple times
i was thought oh no it's financial oh no
it's this oh no it's that
then conveniently a couple
before election
surprise surprise
that's why i feel that it is politically
motivated because don't tell me no about
how i feel
i'm explaining to you
why i said this
statement that i said when i say
something i stand on my words i don't
try to go back and say oh no i didn't
say that
i've been asking for months
for months what was the last time
somebody
was promoted to a higher position
it's been years
now all of a sudden
we have a chief of police on a
provisional basis
i'm just not buying it i'm allowed to
feel how i feel about something just
like you are all right and i'm stating
my opinion now
and i disagree with your statement
that's that's what i'm saying that's
fine okay and also
okay um
was there is that was anybody notified
about this before the council meeting
that she was going to be promoted to
provisional chief
did you want to receive that information
okay
the email that didn't make sense yes you
receive that okay i made a spelling
error okay so whatever right so the fact
of the matter is that you knew about
this yes before the council yes i did
and did you respond to that email
to your
no you
that was prior to it was about two weeks
two weeks before the
did you give him an answer or no
okay she said it was vile right so so
she told you that it was okay
that's what i was asking about
okay at that time four weeks ago
lieutenant i'm like hey
you know i hear things from other cops
saying how do you have a sponsor
okay
john's embarrassing so i asked her if
you can get her as a gold bar
she's on the on the list so that's why i
had her yes so
if something happens that she doesn't
tell me
right doesn't become cheap
she can still be promoted to the tent
correct
promote it you know when they come
was on stripes she's going to be
permanent chief in in a couple of months
as soon as the test goes
right anything can happen what's going
to happen anything okay
you're a permanent
that if she is a sergeant
and you can promote someone one grade up
without having to do it provisionally
she'll be able to check in anyway so
what i don't understand why you like
wouldn't want her to be chief so no okay
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got pinned with stars on her uniform
as a sergeant
she had a sergeant uniform
how do you guys think that it's
appropriate for you to get up here and
double first of all let me explain to
you i'm a private citizen to bank barber
city for 55 years
regardless whether my wife's in there or
not
you can stop young
nobody's double teaming anytime
parliamentary procedure would dictate
that he has a public forum to make his
comments
that we should not be
bannering back and forth you shouldn't
be arguing with us we should not be our
kids
you have absolute right to
make your comments
without back and forth right and i'm
trying not to i'm just saying that the
point of the matter is that
these
this issue was discussed it's just funny
that
all this stuff waits until the council
me to be blown out of proportion
that's my point
you should have stated your intentions
to the attorney which should have been
relayed to the mayor
okay and this should have been resolved
ahead of time now
the poor provisional chief okay
she's out there celebrating that she's
been promoted to achieve that right
against
you're going against what happened
or whatever i know you're involved in
civil service and that's a great thing
but she is very happy right now you
heard and we're happy
you're missing no you're you're not
you're not
you're right you're not with me again
you're trying to discredit what just
happened tonight a good thing
for a farmer safe a great thing for a
barber city
there's rank there's command structure
okay there's there's positive morale
that just happened in the police
department
okay
i know well i just talked with a strong
voice i'm very sorry for that maybe i
have big ones i don't know but i say
loud all the time okay so now there's
great things tonight that have just
happened in this town and after the fact
that everything's done you're up here
making a spectacle
of what just happened that's good frank
harper state not to mention my next
point
about the water treatment plant
there's been some dirty political stuff
that's been put on facebook
about this city and their procedures
of what happened with the water
treatment plant
you
councilman trifall liked that comments
and those indications on facebook
about the water treatment plant how the
mayor started you know the system
and everything else you like that i have
pictures of it so you can sit there and
shake your head and do whatever you want
it's there okay
now what you did by that is you
discredited eight barber city again as a
council first and there's one other
person on here too which i'm not going
to say state another council person for
political reasons you made your attorney
look bad made our engineer look bad you
made the mayor look bad okay all right
carver city look bad because you're
political
but yet you'll sit here
and you'll claim politics and everything
else
it's disgusting and i sit here and i
take it all the time
but from now on when i when when these
things come to light i'm going to bring
it to your attention
and that's all i have to say
i do
i promise i will be very quick
i love yourself i will be quiet i
promise i want to go home too
stephanie 459 chicago
as a former council person for six years
and the right of a former councilman and
a mayor of that club i can tell you two
things
this isn't bankruptcy
to the public that are watching you
maybe on tv
maybe they're not watching you tonight
but from this uh councilwoman brown to
get up abruptly and leave
and shout across the diocese to public
people
it's embarrassing to us i understand
your position mr tribal i think it could
be handled inner
but
you guys all
everybody voted for the water treatment
plan just let me tell you that i voted
you put all that on the mayor this is a
combined effort by everybody
you know everybody said we got to get
rid of it because you cost so much money
you were in the hole everybody
collectively did that it wasn't
but she doesn't vote
and
i just think for myself that there
should be a degree of professionalism
for all of you
again
you should all be embarrassed i mean
mrs clark hasn't shouted anybody mrs
zapdon didn't shout at anybody carl
didn't shout at anybody mr dash made his
point sir title i think you belabored
your point a little bit i apologize to
tell you that i think you handled it a
little bit better i understand your
rationale 100
but again that should be handled
privately between you and the mayor or
your safety committee and the niner or
you
and more endeavor but
honestly
this is not
professional everybody needs to step it
up in some way so that you when people
watch you on tv they're not thinking oh
you're a bunch of you know this is the
beverly hillbillies or it's a clown
committee
i i know you get heated and we thought
you want to say all the things that you
want to say but you want to look good
we want to look good all the time
lately
the mayor's opponent is calling that
harbor city the worst one down in
atlantic county you should all you're a
republican you're in public and you're
republican you're a republican you
should all be on fire with that you live
here you're paying taxes here you should
be reviving that do you think this is
the worst one down the net in the whole
county
seriously
but i'm not saying that to you i'm
telling you that this is where politics
make us look bad
don't dig us any deeper into the whole
by screaming at each other disagreeing
i agree with you mr dash i don't know
anybody that has a problem with airbnb i
sat next to mrs rush tonight
she worked for lynwood for years she
wrote their airbnb thing she said you
guys are so wolf from work it's not
funny she's willing to come if you all
but she's fun for lynnwood
i think that that says something about a
private citizen that has experience
helping us i don't know what we paid the
city attorney
i don't
it's not my purview but
you need to do a little bit more of your
own work reach out to somebody else you
guys are all getting paid
she works for an attorney she can do it
herself find out what other towns do
what
did you do
but that's what i mean you have to be
more professional i'm embarrassed i've
been traded up i'm going home tonight
i'm thinking to myself holy crap
this is the first council meeting i've
been to in 18 months and i just
i don't want you guys to look like fools
honestly because you all have your own
opinions but you have to do it in a more
professional manner that's all i want to
say
have a good night
i'm leaving
i have comments please
okay uh first of all i'd like to con
congratulate marcela
owen on achieving the highest rank
in the egg harbor city police department
i remember sitting in that chambers
right in front of that podium
in 2008
as a
reporter when she walked in and was
sworn in to uh the police department
she balled me over that day i was so
impressed with her and i'm so glad that
she achieved her goal of becoming chief
of police of the acorpa city police
department
i congratulate her and i wish her well
in her future endeavors
um i have like several comments i'd like
to make and give you guys an update on
the activities of the green team um
first of all uh the tree that died in
front of city hall that was planted for
john cena will be replaced hopefully
next week with the help of meg steeb
who's rounding up the troops to do the
uh front work
um
secondly i'd like to thank the city and
the acua for coming to an agreement on
cleaning up
clark's landing road
the acua will providing the city with
four
toters two recycling toters and two
trash toters
to be put out there uh they'll be
leaving two there and keeping two in the
in the public work yard
and your guys will go out there on every
wednesday and just exchange the
containers
and pick up the trash so that'll kind of
relieve the steve
fiedler of having to do that task he
used to go out there and pick up the
trash and separate it into piles and put
it in his car and drive it to galloway
township so it's nice to see that egg
harbor city has taken responsibility for
cleaning up city property
that area if you haven't been out there
you have to go out there and look at it
it is
it's a gem
and it would really be nice to promote
it a little bit more than it has been
um on tuesday at 6 00 p.m the green team
will be having their regular
meeting but we're uh concentrating on
doing a program regarding the spotter
red lanternfly i don't know if your guys
are aware of it but it's an invasive
species that's made its way from china
to pennsylvania and now it's in in south
jersey
and we'll be talking about that and
giving people ideas on how to
help combat the problem and reduce the
infestation
i was really upset when i found out that
spotted lanternflies
like
grapevines
so
we have a great vineyard here and it
would be a shame to have it
inundated by spotter and lanternflies so
and everybody likes wine so
we don't want that to happen here if we
can
um regarding um
the atlantic city electric grant
that we received for five thousand
dollars that will compa be a companion
grant to another grant that the city
received regarding uh planting trees
in the right-of-way uh we received a
thirty thousand dollar
uh
we received the thirty thousand dollar
uh grant to plant trees that were
removed
from the right away by the previous
council
so that's that's a good news that the
city will have i'll probably be sending
out a press release soon about that
um i also wanted to commend the mayor
and candace for the scarecrows on
philadelphia avenue they are wonderful i
especially like the one that marcela did
of a police
policeman which is in front of the
library it's really cute
um also
i i
heard i could not hear a report
regarding something at peace pilgrim
park if somebody could explain what was
discussed i'd appreciate that
which one the one that
the one that goes down to the statue
again
the one where there goes
um
and
i i used several
well i guess it's probably almost a year
ago
for the ordinance committee to consider
a tree protection ordinance
i don't know if anything was ever done
with that but i'm gonna you know
petition again to have the city look
into a tree protection ordinance to
protect our street trees
um we need to preserve our tree canopy
there's so many benefits i don't want to
go into them now but um
we need we need our trees as much as we
need people living here
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i think that's everything on my list
except that i wanted to say that i agree
with the two previous speakers
regarding the discussion after such a
fabulous night for
uh police chief
marcella alwyn
for you guys to question
and and to to submit that it was a
political move on the part of the mayor
is disgraceful
you should never ever do something like
that i've never seen any council and i i
attend council meetings in different
towns all over atlanta county
that was bush league that was something
donald trump would do
you never questioned something like that
she deserves that position and you
should never ever question something
like that you just ruined her day when
she sees this video how do you think
she's going to feel
and she's working under you you're her
boss right
that's disgraceful
that's all i have to say thank you
and that email um
councilwoman brown she's had an ordinary
head of ordinance about a tree
protection
i'll send those i'll send those sample
ordinances i sent
uh last year again
all right thank you so much appreciate
it sure anyone else
just for the record not to be dead worse
but if you'd like to see disgusting
comments that were made about the word
treatment
system if you like going on facebook
it's right here
you have to come up to the podium and
state your name in your address
sorry man oh no it's
i okay anyone else
motion to adjourn
second
all in favor