Public Meeting of Egg Harbor Township Committee 10/1/25
The committee honored a long‑time township employee retiring after 35 years, handled routine legislative business (including adopting an ordinance updating township clerk/records provisions and introducing another ordinance about a foreclosed property), approved consent resolutions, bills, minutes and payroll, and discussed planning/development concerns raised by a resident. They also reported on public safety activity and community outreach and went into closed session to discuss pending litigation related to a baseball performance center and a sign.
Key points
A township employee, Maryanne, was publicly honored for 35 years of service and announced her retirement at the end of the month.0:01 ↗
committee adopted an ordinance amending township clerk/deputy clerk and records access/fee provisions to comply with state open records law (OPRA).7:42 ↗
meeting introduced a separate ordinance repealing a 2002 ordinance and confirming township title for a foreclosed property (ordinance 26).9:13 ↗
Committee approved the consent calendar (resolutions), bills, minutes and payroll during the meeting.10:46 ↗
A member of the public pressed the committee about use of special planning board meetings and cited concern about large residential developments (a previously approved 628‑home project was mentioned).29:07 ↗
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Topics with timestamps
Retirement recognition
0:01committee presented a proclamation and gifts honoring Maryanne for 35 years of service in public works and parks & recreation; she is retiring at month end.
Ordinance — township clerk/records (OPRA)
7:42Public hearing and adoption of an ordinance amending chapter 6 to confirm deputy custodians of records and update fees for government records access to ensure compliance with New Jersey open public records law.
Ordinance 26 — title confirmation for foreclosed lot
9:13Introduced an ordinance repealing a 2002 ordinance and confirming township title to block/lot resulting from tax foreclosure; public hearing scheduled for November 12, 2025.
Approvals: consent calendar, bills, minutes, payroll
10:46Committee approved the listed consent resolutions, a bills resolution, the September 17 meeting minutes, and the September payroll during this meeting.
Planning/development concerns from public
29:07A resident questioned why a special planning board meeting was used for memorializing a resolution and raised concerns about pipeline residential development, referencing a 628‑home development and urging caution on approving more housing.
Public safety and community outreach
13:48Committee members praised police/fire/EMS work, noted busy recent activity, and highlighted community outreach efforts like 'Coffee with a Cop' to engage residents.
Decisions / votes
- 7:42Adopted ordinance amending chapter 6 (township clerk / deputy clerk / records access and fees) to align with OPRA.
- 9:13Introduced ordinance 26 (repealing 2002 ordinance and confirming township title for a foreclosed property); public hearing set for November 12, 2025 at 5:00 p.m.
- 10:46Approved consent calendar resolutions (numbers referenced 464 through 468/8 as read during the meeting).
- 10:46Approved bills via resolution (resolution number 479).
- 10:46Approved the September 17, 2025 township committee meeting minutes.
- 12:17Approved payroll for September (amount read aloud during the meeting).
- 41:20Authorized convening a closed (executive) session to discuss pending litigation (baseball performance center litigation and a sign matter) with anticipated disclosure timelines.
Public comment
Asked why a special planning board meeting was used to memorialize the resolution for 135 Long Court Boulevard instead of waiting for the next regular meeting, expressing concern that special meetings limit public awareness.
Stated special meetings for contentious items skew the process and should be avoided; expressed preference for handling such items at regular meetings so the public can follow routine timelines.
Asked how many homes remain or are approved in the pipeline, referencing a development figure of 628 homes and questioning when construction began and how many homes are occupied.
Urged the committee to consider slowing or delaying additional residential approvals due to public safety, traffic, and school capacity concerns, and requested committee awareness when reviewing future proposals.
Transcript (6,169 words)
Russian channel 97. >> Perfect. Thank you. Could everybody please stand for the pledge of allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all, please. >> I am here. >> And where is there? She is. Well, we're starting off our meeting with something that is bittersweet for all of us because after 35 years Oh, sorry. I failed my perform. >> There we go. >> Now they hear me. >> 35 years. The one thing we like to start our meetings with something really good and positive. And Marian, you've been an incredible employee for this township. And you know what? We're here tonight to honor you. So why don't you come forward? Ray and I are going to come down. Mr. Rosenberg is going to read a proclamation. You know, I don't think we can let you retire. >> Your retirement date. That's it. All right. Spell my name right. [Music] Maryanne Ralphman's roots in Egg Harbor Township run deep, stretching back generations to 1881 when her family built the original Rocklman home on Spruce Avenue, a historic residence that still stands today. That legacy of commitment to the community continues on her family's 10acre property and working farm on English Creek Avenue, maintained by the Rock since 1969. Maryanne began her professional journey at Harris Resort, where she worked in housekeeping and served the resort's high rollers with pride and attention to detail. On July 30th, 1990, she brought that same work ethic to public service, joining the Echo Township Public Works Department. Over the course of more than 35 years, Maryanne has made a lasting impact across multiple divisions, including sanitation, grounds, and buildings. Her responsibilities have ranged from cleaning the police department to riding on trash trucks, mowing and lining sports fields, and maintaining township buildings. In 2008, Maryanne became an integral part of the parks and recreation department when the community center first opened. From day one, she has helped ensure the facility remains clean, safe, and welcome, becoming a familiar and friendly face to countless residents and visitors. Beyond her dedication to the township, Maryanne is known for her many passions. She's a devoted animal lover and caretaker of her charge horse, Zena, a NASCAR enthusiast and a published author. Maryanne is also a paranormal investigator. Her unique role reflects her curiosity, adventurous spirit, and boundless energy. Maryanne Mon embodies dedication, heritage and heart. A true pillar of the Edward Township community >> 35 years. >> So 35 years and she's retiring at the end of this month. Yeah. >> So Halloween is it? >> Unbelievable. the spirit might find you that >> well I know this I know Ray is there all the time >> and we are missing face every time I come in there where is she coming out that's it I know you know I know this >> we have um some members of the recreation partner here that would like to um say to you here we all know how much you really wanted that lamp on behalf of recreation. Thank you for 35 years of service. You need to open it now because we don't want Rocky to be We don't want Rocky to be the only one that has one. You said something like Oh yeah. [Applause] Wait for the chair. Mustang usually drive Mustang the name Mustang Mary and she's legally knowing behind the signs when her dad retired all those years ago from public works they gave him a sign that said Rocky Way and two days ago she said wish I had one that said must I marry But I guess that will never happen. >> Now it's a must. That's it. >> Would you like to? >> It's been fun. It's been interesting. Um I don't know if I'm standing over like it. Not looking forward to it. It was, you know, worked in a lot of different divisions, did a lot of stuff, met a lot of cool people. So, it was awesome. That's what you want. >> Yep. But thank you for absolutely everything. Thank you. [Applause] >> Yeah. >> Kenny from shake hands with this >> right >> always. I see you all the time and you >> and you again. Hey um I work in the school system police worked in the school system police and um um very public building. I've never seen a building so wellkept like the recreation uh building. That building is unbelievable. They do a great job there. They're going to miss you. Marian, thank you. You want to stay with me? I don't know. It's >> your choice. You'll find out. >> If you stay, you'll find out. >> Mr. Anyhow, so this is a public hearing on an ordinance to amend chapter 6 the township code entitled administration of government specifically section 6-12 entitled township clerk deputy township clerk. The purpose of this ordinance is to amend chapter 6 subject or section 6-12 of township code to confirm the designation of departmental deputy custodian of records under the supervision of the township clerk the custodian of records and to update fee provisions for access to government records to ensure compliance New Jersey open public records act of NJSA 4718. A-1 and following. >> Any >> is there anyone in the house that would like to discuss ordinance 25? Seeing not have a motion to close portion. >> Can I have a motion to adopt or a motion to adopt? Make a motion. Second roll. >> Ellis, >> yes. >> Paul, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Ordinance adoption 26. >> All right. This is an ordinance repealing ordinance number 53, 2002 and confirming title block 3801 lot spruce avenue in the town of Bay Harbor by virtue of tax foreclosure. purpose of this ordinance is to repeal ordinance 320 and confirm township titles block 3801 lot one um public hearing on ordinance number 26 of 2025 will be held on November 12th 2025 at 5:00 p.m. Can I a motion to introduce ordinance number 26? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Roll call, please. >> Yes. >> Paul, >> yes. >> Yes. We have a resolution consent calendar number 464 through8. Does anybody have any questions? If not, can I have a motion? >> Second. >> Roll call, please. >> Yes. We have a um resolution for the bill or number 479. >> Can I have a motion? Do we have their bills? >> Second. >> Thank you. Roll call, please. Alice, >> yes. >> Paul, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Approval. Can I have a motion to approve the September 17, 2025 township committee meeting minutes? >> Okay. >> All in favor? I >> can I have a motion to approve the payroll for the month of September in the amount of 1,75,043 12 [Music] seconds. >> Thank you. Uh, all in favor? >> Tell us how your committee reports, you know. >> Oh, really? >> It must be. And just for the for the television public and I know some of you have reached out to us about the mic. >> I failed twice. But we have brand new microphones tonight. So for those that are watching this on television, um hopefully you can all hear crystal clear now. The whole system has been changed. Some of us obviously me. Uh it needs a little training session here again. But uh it's a matter of us pressing the buttons and getting going, but the the feedback, the the scratching noise and everything else we get or we had before should all be gone. So hopefully when you listen to this tomorrow at home, it's crystal clear. So thank you for that. And we want to thank Clark who was over there for doing such a good job on this, getting it up for us. It was something we truly needed >> for years. >> Yes. So, thank you. >> Okay. Township committee reports. Start with Mr. Ros. >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh, two things I wanted to touch on this meeting. Uh, I had the opportunity to attend Eagle Fest. This is the first time I received an invitation. I was not um crooked to attend schools in EHT. So, every time there is an event, I get an invitation. I'm excited about it. See how it works. Wonderful event. I would put it on par with National Night Out. If if there's anybody in the audience who hasn't experienced Eagle Fest, wonderful thing to do. Uh the other I was reading our uh report from the police department that we receive um information with before the meetings and I got to say between some of the newspaper articles we're reading and and that report you guys have been exceptionally busy with a wide variety of different u public safety issues and and infractions, traffic, things like that. So I don't think it could possibly be said often enough. Thank you for what you're doing and chief in particular. Thank you for your organizational skills and and ability to deploy the resources you have effectively. So, I wanted to make sure I said that >> Mr. Thank you. Uh last Sunday we had the uh child's cur dedication of the baseball fields out there. Was a very nice event. want to thank the committee that was putting that together. They did a nice job and it was uh hard to believe that was 50 years ago that we lost those kids, but it was a great event. It was nice to dedicate those ball fields and I'll be the first one to say happy birthday to the mayor tomorrow. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> And that's how I do your Thank you. >> Happy birthday. >> And I did a Paul spoke about uh Chief that was very informative and it it surprises me of the cases in the last we had to deal with in this community whether it was high school robberies or whatever else. So, it doesn't go unnoticed for me being a prior law enforcement. Um, you wonder where we're headed at times with some of this that goes on. And, um, like Will spoke about the child care. I I think as Americans, we're too quick to forget and want to change. And I remember that accident. I was 23 at the time when I had a cop in Point and I was on the front page of the press. It was a daily paper that we very rarely see something with information of those four children who were killed. And to the group that put it together out there, that's what we need to do. This is history of our community is as tragic as it was, is history. It really provokes me sometimes to see people wanting to change things, take something down, move this statue because of this change military base name for whatever reason. That's history. And and we need not forget that that picture on the plaque was what the president had of the four boys. So uh to the group the DNA was part of it to the child care people that's what we need to do cuz cuz if you don't ever remember how it happened and when it happened and why uh and to the fire departments I see a couple of representatives from Cardiff. Uh our fire department never never lets us down. I mean, we had a bad accident yesterday in Glenn in English Creek. Thank God I heard it because I could avoid it um to our fire department um the other day at Broadway in the middle for a bad bad car accident. I don't know why we are just having these bad accidents going fast. >> It's just ridiculous some of the stuff that you see just coming here tonight. I mean, our great interception to Ocean and and Zion, it's quite interesting to watch what people do with that intersection, whether they're cutting into the store, cutting into the Robert Best, whatever they're doing. But, you know, just have a little courtesy, try to let people out. You're not going to get there any faster. And for the for the people that were using a double yellow line to pass, you know, I wasn't the greatest on the street, but I did the 39 statue pretty well. That's prohibited. That's why it's there. You don't pass in the subway yellow line. So, in the police department, fire department, everybody in public safety, you know, um hopefully it'll come down. >> Mr. Ellis, >> well, unfortunately, I was at my college reunion this weekend and I missed a lot of events. That's my point now. So, um, do I have to start with No, I was just saying unfortunately I wasn't here with I was at my college reunion and it was some great events. I really didn't want to miss but um I always have to give a shout out to police public fire departments, the best in the world. But a special shout out to Miss David Vans. She like me Superman here and there everywhere. We had so many different activities she had spent on yesterday. We had the first little league football pep rally game, man. I was there and it was so beautiful. So well attended and who's there is a dancer game. So thanks for all you do. I know sometimes you think people don't know this, but I will always notice and we will notice here the job that you do. So I want to say thank you. red. >> You turn it off. >> Before I sing happy afterward. >> Well, Dina, thank you. You know that it's uh I'm going to tell you last Sunday was very meaningful. You know, it it brought back a neighborhood together and they remembered those boys. They remembered the family and they you could see how they healed together. you could see how that neighborhood bonded after that tragic accident and having people come back 50 years later and talk about it all was just an amazing thing to be part of. So I want to thank you and the entire committee that did that because that was something that was definitely needed and it showed why this time is so bright. Yeah, I will say that it's true. It absolutely is true. Um something else we did this morning was I'm going to ask the chief real quick. We had coffee with a copa and I saw you holding one of those up on Facebook today. So, uh, a lot of our citizens came in and said good morning to you guys this morning. Yes, it was well attended by officers and obviously customers of Waw Wa. Um, it's kind of a partnership that we have with Waw Wa. They give us uh coupons for free coffee to give out to the community. Um, and it's an opportunity for us to engage the local citizens. >> Yeah, it was great. Pictures were great. >> We encourage people to come in and have conversations. I don't I mean, it doesn't have to be all bells and whistles. It can be um, you know, things that maybe they're unhappy about. I mean, that that's kind of the design. Um, so when we have it again, that's what we encourage. I mean, I want to hear those things. >> Yeah, you do. >> But I thought it was great and I'm glad you do it and you continue to do it and not just there. No, >> you should do it a little later. So, right. >> Yeah, I was not that early. I was going to say the same thing. >> I should say the gripes and complaints, we want to hear them face to face. Sometimes we get a lot of them. Obviously, >> emails and phone calls and social media, but that's the opportunity to come in and have some good uh, you know, >> discussion. Yeah, it is. So, I mean, I know I'm because I wanted to echo, you know, Committee Rosenberg and um uh Committ Hass um the reason that we put my idea is has been to sell ourselves and sell ourselves through the media and sometimes there's a balance. I understand that we don't want to portray that Edgar Townships this crazy off the hook town, but I also want to make sure our citizens know that we're busy. our we have a lot of calls for s service that consume our time and energies. Um so when the complaints come in, we need you here on Atlas Lane for speeders, Blackman Road for speeders, you know, English Creek section, they hopefully people can understand that we have priorities that we have to address first and when we we're available we can get those resources to those areas. Uh but so the design about putting um when we saw how active and busy our officers were over the weekend, I said put a press release out to show all those kind of priority calls. >> Yeah. >> None of them were real newsworthy, but the combination of all of them in my opinion was >> and chief you know channel 6 covered MMS MS produce. You had a lot of footage for for South Py um of that break. That was another I forgot about that one. And like I said, Eddie, it just we're busy. U So, but M&S Produce uh we didn't put much out on that. One of uh one of our uh local customers, >> media source, Ted Greenberg, did his job, does it well. I was a little bit uh I had a talk with him and I didn't really want or we didn't really want some of the information that was uh put out there during his uh onseene news thing. Those things are kind of controls of you know we don't want to compromise the investigation but at the end of the day getting it out there maybe someone will know someone that was involved in that and um give us a tip. >> Yeah, >> I know. Yeah. Normally I'll cover the detective. >> The the chief brings up an excellent point. I I happen to be going through these codes as an election. I'm more aware of public image than I normally would be, but I also spent 10 years on the board of directors for the Crimestoppers Foundation. And we had that same interesting phenomenon. We we would approach chiefs of police and and maybe simply say, "We don't have we don't want a partnership. You know, they don't want to make the town look especially on barrier island." and and Egg Harbor Township, especially from meeting the residents so intensely over the past few months. This is what 61 square miles, 50,000 people, and this is a seasoned, diverse, and experienced population. They understand that living in a township like this, there's going to be problems, and they would be supremely irritated if there were no response. And the reality is it's the exact opposite. The chief said it exactly right. He doesn't want to make us look bad, but at the same time there has to be an awareness of what's happening and that your police department is effective. And that is the better message. And if that's anything we take away tonight, that our police department is effective in responding to what is going to happen regardless, that's a good thing. That's that's something to be very proud of. And it's something I think that we and the citizens of Arbor Township were happy to hear from our police chief. >> Well done. >> Thank you. >> Well said. >> Yeah. >> Uh something else I just wanted to bring up that uh October 31st is the deadline to file your senior property tax rebate, your anchor savings, and your state New Jersey. Three different New Jersey property tax rebate programs. You may or may not be eligible for it, but if you have a problem filling it out or you need any help, Senator Paulina's office has reached out to me repeatedly and said if you need help, please contact their office right here in Echome Township and they can help. They can help people fill the forms out. They can help them try to do it online. Um, if you don't have a computer, it's a lot. It's difficult to do these forms. So, it's a great way if you need some help, they're out there will glad to help. just give them a call and um schedule an appointment and go on and get it done and hopefully we'll get a reading. And the last thing is um Mr. Freedman's not here tonight. Tonight is the beginning of so I would like to wish all of our Jewish friends a very meaningful fast. Um tomorrow is and so uh and that's it. And that's all I have tonight. So nothing chief. I think you just have to stand away from that. >> Anyway, um I should have got up. Apologies. I should have got up earlier when addressing. >> What's that? >> Okay, good. Um so, one of the things I I kind of these are the little things that make a difference in my mind um in in our line of work. And uh I told him so Captain Key um we talk about the things you know we you see how busy we are and he's not here to hear this but these are things like I said that they make a difference for me and I think they make a difference for our citizens. So, Captain Keen yesterday, if you haven't seen it, a family in town actually from the Birdland section lost a deer dog, their their family pet kind of sconded from the home and it's been about a month now and they're they're, you know, at Witsand trying to find this this dog. Um, I believe that a concern came in through the mayor's office and Captain Keane received a phone call and since yesterday, and this is what I expect from our staff, I don't care if you're the, you know, the frontline officer, the most junior person all the way up to date. Um, he dropped everything for this man. Uh, he went out, met with them. He actually was doing leg work today, following up on things to find this family, his beloved family pet. And the reason I bring again this this is the type of people we have in our uh police department. Um Captain Keen certainly doesn't have the time to get into these types of things. I mean none of us do, but we make time um because that's what's important. Quality of life type stuff for our community. And so I just wanted to recognize Brian Keane um for taking the time and dropping everything to try to give some type of hope to this family. We did post that. We shared that on our social media page yesterday as well. Um, but again, I'm just giving you a little example. You got you get the monthly report and like I said, we put the stuff out on with I think we're one of the better municipalities in the county maybe and even in South Jersey on the stuff that we put out to the media because I think again that relationship with the media and selling our agency is important. I mean, I think we do it hopefully appropriately and tactfully. um because that's what we do. >> So um and that's why I bring up the captain key thing. Little thing, not people don't necessarily think what's the big deal. Well, the big deal is we don't have the time because we're dealing with all the fires, but something that's personal to that family. um and they're willing to drop and but heated and spend hours that he certainly doesn't have to do a frontline work effort. So >> that's awesome. >> Thank you. >> That's it. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. Is there anyone in the public that would like to address the governing body? >> Good evening. I'm actually gl 6330 mil road. I'm actually glad that Mr. Ridgeway is here this evening as the solicitor of the planning board. My question, mayor, is why was a special meeting of the planning board required for the memorialization of the resolution of 135 Long Court Boulevard as opposed to it being memorialized at the next regular planning board meeting on October 20th. from my understanding is that one of the reasons we did we were going to try to get it on tonight's meeting which we decided not to because it's young people. So the reason we had it we have to memorialize resolutions um and that's what we did. So young and poor is a holiday that we knew was going to happen. So, couldn't it have waited until the October 20th meeting to be memorialized as opposed to having a special meeting where perhaps the public would not have necessarily been aware of a special meeting unless they were looking at your calendar. So, we had told the public that night that there was going to be a meeting that night. So, they knew. Anyone that was interested in maths right now. Um, could we have done hindsight's 2020? Yeah, we could have. Okay. I just I had um trouble when we start to have special meetings for things as opposed to letting them occur naturally with the timeline with people who are expecting a zoning board meeting to be the first meeting of the month, the Monday of the month. Township community meetings being are the way they are on Wednesdays. Planning board meetings being the way they are. And when we start having special meetings for certain things, it starts to skew the process. In my opinion, only as an interested taxpayer, who actually my opinion, I have to agree with you. They stand out, but I can also tell you this in as long as I've been mayor and Paul was mayor, I, you know, I'm sure we've had a few, we've had a few special meetings, but in the course of a year's time, there might be one or two maximum. So, that's something that we're very cognizant of. This one was delayed for over 6 months because of um a couple different things over the time, but we just wanted to get it done. Well, I I agree with you, mayor, and I think because of the tumultuous nature of the topic and the back and forth multiple times with it going from township committee to back to the planning board, back to township committee, back to the planning board gives even more of a reason why it shouldn't have been a special meeting and it should have been at a regular uh planning board. Well, I can tell you just like we did when the windmills were coming in and starting to talk about things here at every meeting, whether it was planning board, zoning board, or tantal committee, we let everybody in the audience know what we're doing. When we're doing, we give them our phone numbers to call if you have any questions. So, we want to make sure that we have full disclosure when we're doing this cuz you're right. The public needs to know when issues are hot topic issues. They will they mean they need to know the mundane issues, too, but uh hot topic brings people out. So, and this is a public issue. >> It was it is second question. As an interested taxpayer, can you tell me how many more homes are on the block or on set for approval to be built as we move forward? That's a bit of a loaded question because it's unloaded. I'm just there's there was a development from 2008 that had been approved. So, how many homes is that? I think it's 628 homes. >> And where is that? >> That's on road. And when is the anticipated construction supposed to begin on that? It already has. >> It already has. >> Oh, there's people living. How many? And are there any other uh buildings, residential buildings that are in the pipeline? There are. I'll be honest with you. I don't have a list of them all. I mean, there's a development by Pack Farms, uh, which is an area, I believe. Yes. Yes. So, and that's where I lead into this. Are you all right, Miss Dolls? >> No. >> Pain. Um, it's my understanding, and please correct me if I'm incorrect, that although Prime Lands has a lot to say about what we need to build and where we can build it and we have to do it, the caper zone is a lot more lenient with the fact that we necessarily do not have to approve residential building in a cafer zone. Well, it depends. It's going to depend on if it's if they need certain type of variances that they may not get. Um, I'm going to John, I might turn this to you in a minute because if you start to get into planning and zoning issues and the legalities of them, I'm not a lawyer. I'm an accountant. So, obviously that's taxpayers. So, but no, I mean there's buildings the difference between finance and keer is is big, but they both guide how things are done in those areas and we have to follow what their rules are. >> Absolutely. I'm an old follower from A to Z >> and that so whether it's >> whether it's in Pine Islands or Caffra >> really only indicates that there is a state regulatory system that also applies to the development on that site. So, Edgar Township has a land development ordinance. That's what the developer initially has to apply uh under there's a determination whether the use is permitted in the particular zoning district. There's all kinds of other lot size. It's it's a fairly detailed analysis that goes on and then if the land use board approves or is compelled to approve a housing development, it still has to get approved by the state of New Jersey, whether that's CAFRA under the coastal area review act or whether it's New Jersey Act through the prime commission, right? Um so we never escape it. It always drapes over those projects if they're in those jurisdictions. We got the way you should think about it is it's it's the layers of regulation on top of the property. The first one is the local the municipal regulation. Then the county depending on where it's located and what the roadways surrounding are. They get to look at things. Then it goes up to the state. They all and until you get them all done, nothing happens. So even if you were to to your question about the number of housing units that are on in the pipeline or planned, um the town frequently doesn't know until the building permit is issued because even if you get a land use approval that says you can do certain things, if DPP their contradiction approval says we don't agree or you have to do these other things, those homes may never be built. don't know. Um, so and a lot of that is because of the over uh arching different regulatory schemes that come up with these properties if you're talking about Catherine. >> Well, I just think and and it's twofold. One, we talk tonight about traffic. We talk tonight about accidents. We talk tonight about how busy everybody is. our fire department or police department or EMTs. I would hope that the committee, whether it be someone on the planning board, members of the zoning board, or ultimately the committee itself, would take into consideration any more residential building projects coming into our town and maximizing even more of what we can't handle ourselves. I mean, we truly truly need to put a brace on the residential building that's going on in our township. Not only for from a safety perspective, but also from a board of education perspective. More houses, more children, more buses. But here's the problem, Mr. Dilly, is we have residential areas in this town. the people own property. They are allowed to do it. We can't stop and we'll be sued for that. So, there's things we can stop. There's things we can slow down, but there's things we can't stop. And I think Mr. Ridgeway, there are things you'll There's things we just can't stop. You know, that 628 home project is 950 homes. >> Um, we got it scaled back 300 homes, which is insane. When you look at the numbers, we understand. I mean, that didn't come under any of this here. That was long before we were all here. But these are the things that we have to deal with daily when people come in. If a developer comes in and legally they're buying property that is all residential and they are meeting all the criteria for that area, there's not a whole lot any not just in Cumber Township. This is Galloway, Lynwood, North. This is all of us. We have to abide by what's there. And that's why we try to take our time and we try to make sure we do things. We also try to keep the school up to date with what's coming in. Um we try to get senior developments when we can get senior developments. Um just keep the school with numbers down. I'm just asking for your wisdom and your thoughts that going forward as seated here today that if anything else comes before you that can be slowed down, delayed, told no uh something because there have been projects that have been turned down in our township. >> Absolutely. 220 homes. Okay. So it's not that it doesn't happen, but I'm just I'm just requesting for all of the reasons that I mentioned and that's the only reason that I'm mentioning. >> Oh, I guess we all understand that >> and that you you take it into consideration along with my um thoughts on the special meeting situation. I appreciate all of you very much. >> Thank you. Thanks for comments. Is there anyone else would like to address Governor M? Seeing none, I have a motion to close the public hearing. Second. All in favor? I second. >> Do we have a need for a close session? >> We do, mayor. Uh we need a a close session in order to discuss pending litigation. >> Okay. And we will be taking action after the close session. >> Uh we I think there will be the likelihood of formal action after that um uh close session. Right. >> And I think that's probably >> okay. All right. So, I would like to ask all the members of the public to please make the room. You're more than welcome to sit out there and come back. It's going to be one item. >> Read the resolution. >> Do you want to read that? >> I have a second. >> Yes. >> And I um >> You want to read it to me? >> I'll read it first. Resolution 480 authorizes attachment of committee to convene in close executive session to discuss matters which may involve personnel and illegal matters. Whereas the open public meetings act permits the exclusion of public from meeting in certain circumstances. And whereas this public body is of the opinion of circumstances presently exist and whereas the governing body wishes to discuss to discuss matters more than personnel under legal matters as follows. We have two legal matters. want to be an update on the baseball performance center litigation and anticipate disclosure one year. That's what Mr. Ridgway is talking about. And I have an update on the sign and anticipated disclosure of one year. Whereas the minutes will be kept unless the matter involving the confidentiality of the above no longer requires that confidentiality. The minutes can be made public. Now therefore be it resolved by council committee council county of Atlantic State of New Jersey that the public be excluded from this meeting. >> Thank you. Can I have a motion to go? Second roll call, please. >> Yes. And >> yes. Thank you.