Town of Hammonton - Town Council Special Meeting 06-29-2026

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>> do I can I start, Frank, or no?
>> What's that?
>> Can I start? I have to wait.
>> No, you can. You're good.
>> All right. We're here for a very quick
special meeting to award a project. Uh
motion. Uh roll call, please. Frank
>> Council person Calderon
>> here.
>> Marino
>> here.
>> Matro
>> here.
>> Rio
>> here.
>> S rodeo
>> here.
>> Shipion
>> here.
>> Mayor Fjone
>> here.
>> President also Rich Raymond of AR and
James James Seiya engineer of AR.
>> All rise for the pledge please.
>> I didn't hit the public
to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for it
stands one nation under God indivisibley
and justice for all. Let me just read
the public notice. I forgot to do that
part.
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the mayor. Also, each person who wishes
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minutes.
>> Uh thank you, Frank. This is the first
of two opportunities from the public to
be heard on action items uh action items
only. award of Route 54 and a contract
adjustment on 11th Street. If I move
from the public wishes to be heard.
That's good. All right. Seeing none,
I'll accept a motion.
>> Motion.
>> Matro first.
>> Second.
>> Rodeo. Sec. Rodeo second.
>> All right. Uh, all those in favor?
>> I.
>> Motion carry. Dispense with the regular
order of business. We have resolution
1142026
award contract route 54 water main
project to Murphy pipeline contractors.
Uh this is phase one of 12th Street
first road to second road rebid.
Can I get a motion?
>> Motion.
>> Yeah, I'm sorry.
>> Metro first s rodeo second. So this
project was uh open last week. The DP
concurred with our assessment that we
have a a viable bidder. They're okay
with it. DO's okay with it. In terms of
the public registration certificate,
Murphy Pipeline has it. And we received
notice that we closed on the H2 loan uh
close today. So, that gives us the 2
million in principal forgiveness and we
award the project. We're on we're off to
the races.
discussion, questions, comments. This is
phase two only, by the way.
>> Phase one. This is phase one.
>> I'm sorry. God, phase one only.
>> I have a couple of quick questions, just
general, based upon some of the reading
that I've done um online and some of the
conversations that I've had with people
from the heavy highway industry, so to
speak. Um
what is the probability that the road
will heave in some capacity or crack or
there will be surface level damage as a
result of the pipe bursting?
Well, I'll have James answer that from a
PE perspective.
>> Thank you. Um, we had [clears throat]
this question asked a few times. Um, so
there's a maximum and um, there's a
maximum diameter of pipe you can pipe
burst to. So, right now I think out
there six inches, we're going to upsize
it to a 12. And I think that's the limit
that that we want. So, you know, if we
need if we need to reduce in the field,
we we could, but right now that's the
maximum allowable.
>> Part of something else to consider is
this is a part of the stretch of the
road where DOT is going to come through
and mill and overlay.
>> So, there'll be there's inherently if
there is if there's heaving, there's
going to be an inherent uh mill and
overlay fix
>> to that. And that is as part of this
project or that is
>> that's subsequent because when the the
second when the DOT piece the state
repair of the road actually happens down
the road. This is
>> the DOT has agreed they're going to pay
for their window change orders related
to you know the town being on the hook
for fixing the road after if it does
heave.
>> Are we on the hook for that?
>> So they are contract DOT is contracted
to mill and overlay the road. So
regardless of what condition is out
there they're going to mill and
overlays. It's going to be a brand new
road at the end of it.
>> And the other part of this is the DOT
already approved this method of
construction. So if something happens
outside of our control, the DOT approved
it. So it should be covered under their
contract
for Route 54.
>> So the town will not be on the hook for
any of that
>> unless we do some significant damage,
which would be a claim against the
contractor. The town should not be on
the hook.
>> Question. Is there a specific depth that
that pipe should be for for this?
>> Yes, it should be uh 4 ft deep minimum.
>> Four minimum.
>> Correct.
>> And where is it at now?
>> Believe it's around four.
>> The new pipe is going in the same
location as the old pipe.
>> Yeah, I I get that, mayor, and I
understand. But I'm I'm a little
concerned about problems and then the
town being on the hook for this.
>> What kind of problems?
>> If the if the street opens up after
there after we're done with it
after we're done with this project after
it's complete and it opens and it
possibly pushes that pipe or I'm I'm
sorry pushes that asphalt up.
>> Well, that's what Mr. Calderon asked.
Well, I I that's why I was asking how
what the depth was. Is there a specific
depth that the pipe should be? That's
why I asked that gentleman over there.
>> Right. So, Councilman, so the the design
of the fix, the pipe bursting design
>> has there's technical standards you need
to adhere to in the in the design and
that design included those technical uh
standards. So, from a standard of care
perspective and a design, I I I believe
we're covered. And then, as the mayor
mentioned, the D the DOT reviews that
design. They give concurrence to that to
that design and that method of
construction, which is not an uncommon
method of construction. Um, that is
another check in our box. So, I can't
say that someone's not going to come and
say, "Well, this happened because of
that." because anybody can say anything
at any any time. We we we we all agree
to that. But as far as the steps
followed in order to get to where we
are, we are we have followed all of the
correct steps.
>> Okay. Because then my only other
question would be I'm a little surprised
that only one contractor bid this job.
>> That's my problem with it.
>> And I Well, I
>> no union no union companies came near
this. Did anyone I mean
>> and we have not not to cut you off.
>> No. But we have we have companies right
here in Hamilton and and they and they
chose not to bid this and come who who
turns down work.
That's my that that's
non you know no union outfits bid it the
method of construction
because it's pipe bursting it's
specialized
this project uh I spoke to uh uh Mr.
Tyiver from 825 myself.
>> I spoke to the gentleman who came here
from 172 175
>> 172.
>> They knew about the project. Uh we had
other people pick it up. It's not an
open trench project where a typical GC
would open trench let's say 70% of the
work and then you have a section needs
to be pipe burst. They can get a sub.
The whole project is pipe bursting. So
your guys who were local here, you could
list them all are open trench guys. is
they're not going to Murphy isn't going
to sub it to them or sub they're not
going to give a price to an open trench
guy when Murphy could do the whole
project themselves
and um
you do realize that this company is
completely up and down the east coast. I
I imagine you're in the field now. You
work for the same person and so did you
that they just they're in Baltimore
actually. They're in Florida. They're a
company up and down the whole coast. If
you go on their website, take a look at
them, then come back here and ask me
those questions, I'll listen. But go on
the website.
>> I did go I I researched them. I
researched
>> Did you see them how massive they are?
>> They don't do
massive predominantly work in Florida.
And so I think another question is
worthwhile.
>> No, no, no, no. And just don't don't
forget we're getting $2 million
>> owned by a private equity firm that
operates in numerous states and uses the
same technology.
>> We're getting a $2 million break on
this. So remember that we don't we don't
pass this. We're getting $2 million uh
saving the taxpayers $2 million.
>> There's two other points here. Number
one is as Frank said, we get the $2
million of principal forgiveness that
has to that closed today. That has to be
done by the end of tomorrow in order to
close out for the state's fiscal 20. Uh
what are they in 26 26 budget that's why
we've been such frantically trying to
get this done number one. Number two
DOT as we said has approved this method
of construction.
So it's not something we came up with
out of the blue. The reason why we
picked this method is because of the the
impact that we're going to have. If you
open trench this,
definitely phase two, but possibly as
you get closer in phase one, you're
going to be shutting down Belleview
Avenue or Route 54 and then the traffic
is going to get diverted to Fairview.
Pipe bursting should allow us one lane
to go through.
>> I I I understand that. I'm just simply
asking because I want to ensure the
project's not going to result in any
sort of adverse impact.
>> There's never no guarantee. There's
never a 100% guarantee.
>> The research the research that I have
done suggests that
>> where we have a pipe that's four feet in
the ground and there's a potential range
of influence of soil displacement so to
speak of up to seven or eight feet. So
I'm just I'm just trying to understand
that a little bit better from my
perspective to just verify what I read
and what I sort of understand here to
the reality of the project.
>> Seven or eight feet
I didn't see anything like that,
>> James.
>> The pipe is going to be
>> This is the first time I'm hearing that,
too.
>> First time I'm hearing
>> to be honest with you.
>> Um,
one solution we can do if if in case
that does happen, we can downsize the
pipe to 10.
>> That could be a field change. Um, but
we'll never know. But as far as 8 to
seven feet deep, I don't think that's
remotely close to what's going to
happen. Maybe if you're talking about a
15 or 18 inch pipe, possibly. Yeah. But
not not with a 12 inch diameter pipe. I
don't think so.
>> I I never heard seven eight feet.
>> I think certain questions need to be
answer asked before we this body votes
on it. I don't think anybody's trying to
throw a monkey wrench in anything, but
like Mr. Zuber said, there's a $2
million savings to the taxpayers.
However, how much of a savings is there
going to be if this project goes
sideways?
>> We don't.
>> So, we're just looking We're just
looking we're just putting everything
out in the open before we vote. That's
all.
>> We don't know, Anthony. It's in life.
>> This is a company that's been
>> life. Nothing guaranteed in life.
>> This company does this work regularly.
They looked at our specs. They looked at
what we're doing
and they they know this will work and
they feel this will work. Remember they
have a bond and all they have to put up
too that there's an issue later on.
That's right.
>> And they would not do it and and um
risk that
>> the DOT wouldn't allow this project to
go forward if there was going to be an
issue.
>> And why did they fail the first bid
again? Because they didn't get their uh
license.
They had the
>> public works registration certificate
confirmation number, right?
>> But they didn't physically possess the
public registration contractors license,
which they now do possess.
>> They went out and did all their homework
and got all their ducks in order and
they're ready to go.
>> The issue was that the pro the um the
parent company had to apply. Murphy
Pipeline applied. They had to that's
that's what the issue was. And that's
that that's been straightened out.
>> If we don't do this now and they pave
and the state comes in and pays the 54,
you're out for five years. You have a
lead lines that we need to look at.
There's things we have to do to look at
for out to look at look out for the
residents of the town and this is a
project that we need to move on. Look, I
understand that and I even agree with
you, but there's certain questions that
needed to be asked before before we move
forward with that and that's it. Ba
basically, you know, if you have some
questions up here, you should be asking
and I I looked into this a little bit
along with Mr. Calderon and and I had
some questions out of it. It's I I do
not want to stop this thing at all. I
want this project to get done. We've
been late waiting long enough to get
this thing done. But we I don't want
nothing could blowing up in our face.
And that that's basic. I'll speak for
myself on that.
>> So here's what we'll do.
>> And I agree with you. Give us the list
of all the no guarantees. Nothing's
100%. Nothing.
>> All right. Here's what we'll do.
>> Show me something 100%. I'm going with
you.
>> Okay. Show me something in this country
100% and I'm going with you.
>> All right. So here's what we'll do. Give
us a list of the questions. We're going
to have a just let me finish my
sentence. We're going to have a precon
meeting hopefully next week. We'll get
all the answers. If we feel that the
size of the pipe from 12 in is an issue,
we'll downsize it to 10.
But we'll have those questions answered.
But I just want to circle back and
reiterate. Number one, DOT is not going
to approve a project on their road that
they feel is going to be detrimental to
the road given the fact that it's the
main artery running north and south in
the center of New Jersey. One. Two, the
contractor we're going with has
extensive experience in this throughout
the country. Three, they have to post a
bond. It's a P&P bond, correct? So, they
they're posting a bond for performance
and payment. If we're not satisfied,
>> they're liable.
>> They're liable.
>> They pay.
>> If they, God forbid, a portion of the
road heaps, we have a bond.
>> They don't get paid until we're
satisfied.
>> That guy, Mr. Minsky that sits over
there will go after him. We'll go after
them.
>> I don't I I've been here many many
years. I never saw us do it any other
way.
>> We we we didn't use this process in the
past.
>> The pipe bursting part, but everything
else we've used.
>> Okay. Well,
>> everything else
>> and I wouldn't have half the questions
that I asked today if if we were do
using it the way we've done for years.
>> We just had a meeting. Let me let me
explain. I agree with you, Anthony, but
hear me out a minute. You were here when
this took what I'm going to tell you
right now.
>> Do you remember when we did Third Street
to Valley Avenue?
>> Yes.
>> They took out the concrete on the
northbound lanes and they left the
concrete on the southbound lanes.
>> You travel Belleview Avenue. Now it's
nice and smooth going north. You come
south, it's dun dun dun. You know why?
>> Because you didn't do pipe bursting
because you opened up the road. You came
in with millings. You filled it all in.
Went real nice and smooth. Do you know
how expensive that would be to do the
entire roadway from right here at
Central Avenue all the way to Second
Road? We have concrete that's 2 ft deep.
How do you get rid of all that? This
pipe bursting goes underneath all that.
>> That's for phase two, correct?
>> For both.
You're going to do pipe bursting on both
hopefully.
>> Yeah, phase one for now, but hopefully
phase two also. We don't have them
answers yet. Am I right, James? Right.
>> Thank you.
>> And I want,
>> you know, we're not geniuses sitting up
here, but we take our best shot.
>> For who, Anthony?
>> The taxpayer.
>> And I want to leave.
>> What else you want me to say?
>> First of all, we've been talking about
this issue for months. It's not
something we talk about today. Number
one. Number two,
>> the information was initially submitted
to the DOT about a year ago with this
method. Correct.
>> Over a year ago.
So, it's not like we
submitted it last week and said, "Hey
guys, we need you to approve this." It's
been in DOT's hands for a year or maybe
even more. And we've been talking
actively about this subject and this
project and this method up here for a
few months now. So,
>> I was hoping more people were going to
be
>> because now we're going to have Union
people protesting and all that nonsense.
>> You can't protest if you didn't bid. you
know,
>> how could you protest if you didn't?
>> Well, maybe I don't know.
>> Well, I am a little surprised gentleman
that came in here to represented the
union
>> and I I mean, I understand it's his job.
He had to he had to do what he said do
what he said. I get it. Correct. And
then we turn around and put this out for
bit again and it's for one person.
>> He made we was directing him directly.
>> Directly directly
>> to his line to his office.
>> Mayor, I'll just say this to you
directly, you know, face to face.
There's nobody up here trying to
sabotage this job or slow it down. Okay.
There was just questions that we needed
to ask and and I would think that that
you know everybody knows each other up
here. We're we're just trying to get all
the answers out before we vote on it on
its major project. But I I'll speak for
everybody. We all want to see this
project move forward.
>> I just don't you know want any surprises
basically.
>> Question for I don't mean to cut you
off. When was our last meeting?
>> When did we award this? June. Uh, well,
actually, we did a resolution last month
to to So, it was in May.
>> No. When did we do it when the union guy
was here?
>> When was the union that April?
>> The union guy was here a couple weeks
ago. When was it?
>> Couple weeks ago.
>> When was the special meeting?
>> June. When was the special meeting?
Juneth. June 8th. June. June. June 8th.
>> Special meeting was June 8th.
I sent uh that gentleman a text the next
day. Um
I said to him, Andy, this is the
contractor who bid on the the project
regarding Murphy pipeline. Uh the bid
will be on the town of Hamilton website
by tomorrow. This is for the rebid
opening uh 624. The entire project is
pipe bursting. He put got it. Thanks. He
called me and said that he is going to
contact the contractor, the gentleman's
contact info to get him squared away
with He didn't say the union. He was
going to get him squared away with labor
issues.
>> And that's the last we've heard of him.
>> The union guy said he was going to
contact Murphy.
>> Yes.
>> And we've never heard from the union guy
again.
>> I talked to him twice. I talked to him
that on 6ix9ine.
I told him I'd send him information.
Send him the information. And I talked
to him again and he said he was going to
call whatever the gentleman's name is
from Murphy to get him squared away with
the paperwork.
>> Oh, that's probably what happened. He
probably called them and gave them a
list of items and and Murphy satisfied
that and and now the guy disappears.
>> What do you want from me?
>> I believe
>> I'm not asking you for him. We have to
move on as a
>> Yeah. What do we got here?
>> Just for information, I believe.
>> I believe we've been talking with Murphy
from the paperwork standpoint. Yeah. And
I believe that they confirmed that they
did speak with people from the union, a
union rep. So, so, so just like you said
he would call, we believe he did make
the contact,
>> but if I can, so heaving is is a a
concern, a question. Are there you said
list of questions or other are there
other questions?
>> I I think that was the main
>> That's the main one. Okay. Because we'll
because we'll we'll do the precon stuff,
but we'll also
>> circle back sanity check and we'll we'll
get
>> Thank you. appreciate that.
>> No, no worries. No, they're they're all
it's all legit. This is this is a big
thing.
>> And well, I don't know if it would
matter. Our next council meeting is
when?
>> 27th.
>> And if we have an answer even by then,
nothing's going to start before then.
>> So, the way that this is most likely
going to work, James is going to reach
out to the contractor tomorrow to get an
idea of time frame. They'll give an
we'll give them the award pending the
vote tonight to pro the notice of award
and within about two weeks we'll give
them a notice an official notice to
proceed. The notice to proceed is when
the time clock starts. They have 120
calendar days from the date they receive
that notice right
>> to
prepare submitts prepare asbuilts order
material complete the job. Otherwise
there's liquidated damages at the end of
120 days. So, we're going to work with
the contractor, give them if if they
need a week, they need 10 days just to
get all their ducks in a row before we
issue the notice of the proceed. The
notice to proceed gets issued, clock
starts ticking
>> at the end of the 120 days, their bond,
they are liable,
>> right?
>> In the
>> I don't know what else you could do in
life.
>> In the meantime, I just want to I want
to say it now so everyone understands.
>> We had a conversation upstairs, a long
conversation about phase two. We have to
get both projects done by the end of
March in order to avoid a catastrophe.
Yeah. With the state and federal
government in terms of liquidated
damages and we we will get into a a a a
mess that we will it'll be a disaster
for us to dig out.
>> We all agreed upstairs we talked about
other methods of construction how we can
go about this time frames. We laid the
whole thing out and we all agreed we're
going to pipe burst phase two.
As soon as the D gives us a permission
to bid it, the DOT will review it. The D
will give us permission. We're going out
to bid. So, I'm hoping that within the
next,
let's say 60 days, phase two is going
out for bid.
>> Just point of clarification, just for
everyone timeline,
>> DOT's already reviewed it. We have
everything that we need.
>> Sorry.
>> Except for the funding agency's
concurrence and and authorization to
bid. So that's that's they don't start
that process until their fiscal year
starts, which is July 1st.
>> Yeah.
>> So Wednesday, we're calling them and
saying, "We've already submitted this to
them because we did that back in May or
or early June. Um you're ready to go.
We've already talked to them. We're
asking them to accelerate their process,
not skip any steps. So, we have them we
have them in line for that. They
understand how one one project affects
the other. Phase two includes the Jack
and Boore underneath the uh New Jersey
Transits rail line, which we also have
their approval for. We have all the
permits. We can scratch all those off
the list. So, we're ready to we're ready
to go. And we are also actively
recruiting and making phone calls to
other biders thinking that phase one was
maybe a compressed timeline. Maybe
people didn't see it. It was awarded,
you know, here we go. Then it's a 10day
turnaround for the next bid. Maybe
there's not enough time. So, we're
actively
informing people to keep an eye out for
this, right? We're not influencing the
bid at all. Not at all. That would be
against the law. We are we're
identifying that there's an opportunity
and that they hopefully can be aware of
it. Um that's the thing that's stopping
us from going out to bid today is H2
loans concurrence and saying yes, you
can go out to bid. If you go out to bid
before that, your project doesn't
qualify for their funding. So we don't
want to risk that. That's another And
again, why it's why it's July 1st,
that's 2027 o'clock Tuesday on the 30th.
That's it. That's another That's another
two million,
>> right?
>> So, the good news is the loan closed for
fiscal year 2026. That means you have
the town has $2 million of PR principal
forgiveness, which could have been lost.
In my mind, that's a $4 million swing.
So, that's good there. And then we're
queued up to do the rest. Time is a
major issue for construction.
You know, we might put my Main Street
hat on. There's there's also some con
constraints for parades and such and
such, but we're we're lined up to do
everything that we can do to get the
project done within reasonably within or
in the same ballpark of the DOT's
current schedule that they delayed,
their current project they delayed. And
if that mess occurs where we go beyond I
believe we believe as a group that we
have enough behavior lined up to say
we're doing everything we possibly can.
We're doing everything we possibly can
because also keep in mind technically
James will agree that when you start
cutting up the road at those lengths you
need 30
>> what's that
>> settlement period.
>> You need settlement period right? me 30
60 days
>> at least
>> for settlement. Otherwise, you pave it
on on roads that's not settled. Now, the
the traffic is just going to keep
compacting it and you've got the
opposite heave.
>> So, so there's there's a lot of things
lined up, but but there's a lot of balls
up in the air. We talked about this a
lot. The one thing holding us, the only
thing holding us from bidding phase two
is the funding agency's concurrence,
which we are going to push for the
moment that you know 8 9:00 on the not
9:00 on the 1st. Give them until 9
>> 4:00 on Tuesday
when the books closed.
>> All right. Any additional discussion on
this? So just just to confirm on the the
change order piece with regard to if
there is heaving or some sort of other
issue we don't have confirmation the
town is off public there hypothetically
>> there's a maintenance contract they have
a maintenance bond they put in place
>> so we are we are free and clear there so
when this goes ary we're good
>> I don't understand
I don't I don't understand that it's
again this isn't a method of
construction that's never been tested
this is a method of construction that's
that works Well, we have a payment
[clears throat] bond. We have a
performance bond. We have a maintenance
bond. We have the DOT signed off on it.
As Sam said, there's no guarantees in
life, but I'm not I don't know what
you're looking for from us.
>> Just just clarify.
>> Well, you're looking for a guarantee
that's not there. JD,
>> I would look for it. I would
>> I want a guarantee that there not that
the town is not
>> I would like reasonable certainty.
>> Well, reasonable certainty and guarantee
are two different subjects.
>> It is reasonable certainty. The fact
that DOT agrees with our method of
construction, the [clears throat] fact
that the contractor is going to post a
payment bond, the fact that the
contractor is going to post a
performance bond, that's as reasonable
as you're going to get in terms of
construction.
Any other discussion?
All questions. I I agree with every
question we have. Every question here,
we do say it. Say it today. This is it.
But I don't see where you're going to
get 100% guarantee. No, you're not. I'll
say it. You're not anywhere. Every time
as long as you're going to sit here, my
friend, you're never going to get a 100%
guarantee. Forget it. It ain't going to
happen.
>> Oh, and the reason why I'm asking these
questions is because the research that I
have done seems to indicate that there
is going to be this problem.
>> And that that's why I'm asking simply
>> like I said before, this is a company
that this is what they do. They do
>> I I don't think it's necessarily based
on the company. It's based on the nature
of the project,
>> but they do this pipe bursting. They
have to put up the bond. They have to
make sure that we're satisfied at the
end.
>> They went and took this job to our
specs.
We should be good. I mean, not good, but
you know that it should all work without
an issue. Put it that way.
And even if we knew two days ago, James
could have made a phone call. Here we
have it at at the 11th hour. What do you
want us to do now? A day ago. When did
you do your research? Did
>> you do the last couple of days?
>> Why didn't you call him?
>> Okay, I should have.
>> So now here we are on the 11th hour and
and you need an answer.
>> And and I do want to point this out. I
don't uh you know I will.
>> Sorry. I got to say
>> on the special meeting on June 8th, we
are
>> we supposed to be asking questions now
though? Yes. Hold on. So the way on on
June 8th just everybody vote yes. on
June 8th. On June 8th, we awarded the
Murphy pipeline. None of this came up.
>> None of these questions.
>> The project has
>> You're allowed to learn new things as
the process goes along.
>> Yeah. You know,
>> I mean, is the time as the day go as
time goes past you, you hear different
things and you start looking into them.
I I'm not going to go looking for
something I don't know anything about.
Okay.
>> And you know, I as I'll say one more
thing so we we don't have to keep
beating a dead horse here. Okay. I think
the reason why, and I'll speak for
myself again, the reason why I'm asking
the questions is because we never used
this procedure before. I want to make
sure everything's covered before we
spend this money.
We agree and that's why we'll be doing
all our homework to try and to make sure
and that's why we got DOT to concur with
us.
>> It's their road.
>> As long as we're not going to this town
is not going to be on the hook
financially, I'm okay with it.
Well, we are on the hook financially for
the portion above the 2 million.
>> If something happens out there, is is a
contractor responsible for it?
>> The maintenance bond, performance bond.
Yes, there
>> it's by law. They have to do that. Yes,
>> it's in public contract law. They have
to do that.
>> And I believe it's either it's either
two or four years after the project. I'm
not exactly sure the time frame, but it
it's either two or four years of of the
m maintenance bond that that is on the
project.
>> I'm not knocking the method. It's just
as as James said, we're right there on
both ends, right? The size of the pipe
and 4 foot. I mean, we're there's no
room for error. That's all.
>> Any further discussion?
>> Everybody good?
>> Yep. Roll call, please.
>> Council person Calderon,
>> yes.
>> Marino,
>> yes.
>> Matro,
>> yes.
>> R. Rodeo,
>> yes.
>> S. Rodeo,
>> yes.
>> Shipion,
>> yes.
>> Mayor Fjone,
>> yes. Motion carried. One last item to
get to quickly. This is resolution 115
2026. Approval of a change order 11th
Street sidewalk project. Uh, this is a
deduct change order. So,
>> I think it's like 8,000 8 $8,754
something like that, right, James? Yeah,
it's change order number two on the
project.
>> How much is it?
>> About $8,754.
>> Where's this at? The fields. No, let let
me let me get my D here.
>> 11 Street.
>> It's
136749
is the net.
>> That's the original. This goes to 154
>> is our final, but we gave him a change
order on the 136 of how much
>> of 26,000.
>> So your original 13
>> bid was 138,
>> right?
>> Change order one was for the additional
sidewalk along Washington Street. How
much?
>> Uh 24 25,000.
>> All right. So what was their contract
with change order one?
>> 160. I don't have it in the top of my
head, but 160 plus. It's over 154,
>> right? I just want to try to get my
numbers.
>> So, this is this is a net deducted,
>> correct?
>> Of your approved,000, Frank.
>> We were in what? The one.
>> So, here's what I'm going to do. I'm
going to call it like this so everyone
understands.
>> We had a grant for 11th Street for some
sidewalks.
The base bid was 136,749.
>> 138 now.
>> 138,749.
I'm sorry. I got new glasses coming.
>> It's okay. It's good.
>> That was the base bit.
>> We gave them a change order to bring
their number to about 162 in round
numbers to do additional sidewall
because we're trying to use as much
money of the grant as we could.
>> Uh because we don't use it. We're trying
to get it to be re reappropriated, but
we're not sure we're going to get there.
So, we wanted to use up as much money as
we could out of the grant. When we did
the final quantities, there was a couple
of items they didn't do in the base bid
>> which deducted money. So the net now is
1545.
So we deducted about 8,000
>> in round numbers off of the final number
>> and all of this is within the DOT
funding that you secured to pay for the
project. So this is not additional
spending of town money.
>> Yeah, this is all grant money.
>> Correct. our our issue here in a
nutshell is I believe the grant was
around 275
250 275. So we have a 100,000 floating
around that's grant money that we're
trying to now that this project is
complete try to repurpose. We got money
on Old Forks Road that's extra grant
money funded from the DOT and now this.
So we have like 200,000 in round numbers
that we're trying to claw back from the
state and reappropriate thousand.
>> So but this this deduct change order
closes out this 11th street project in a
nutshell. So can I get a motion for this
>> motion?
>> Second R rodeo s rodeo. All right. So
discussion on that. I apologize I don't
have the exact number of the penny but
in rough numbers it's a deduct of around
$8,000.
And what that piece of sidewalk did was
connect the town on Washington Street
all the way to 11 Street and on past
that to the bike path. That's why we did
that. We had the money.
>> No, no, no. It didn't go that far.
>> Yeah, it did.
>> No, it doesn't. It goes from a Harbor
Road.
>> No, no, no, no, no. Not the
>> Oh, you're talking the change or down
Washington Street? Yeah. Yeah. Watch.
>> This project went from a Harbor Road
>> Yeah. Yeah. The whole project
>> to where? I don't even know where.
>> To bike path.
>> To the bike path.
And then the change
order was down Washington Street. Yeah,
you're right.
>> And that connected that there was no
sidewalk in that piece. If you drive it
now, you will see a nice new sidewalk.
>> Yeah.
>> All the way from all the way back to
town.
>> Yep.
>> So, other discussion on the deduct
change order which closes out this
project.
>> Anyone
can throw a point of information,
>> please. Uh public contracts law, you
can't
you can't go you can't spend more than
20% of your base bid. So while we we had
this much money and the base bid was
here, we couldn't spend all of that
money.
>> So we had to stay within those within
those rules. That's why that's why
that's why there's money potentially
hanging around,
>> right?
>> Okay.
>> Thank you.
>> Other discussion on this
roll call, please.
>> Council person Calderon,
>> yes.
>> Marino,
>> yes.
>> MRO,
>> yes.
>> Rio,
>> yes.
>> S [clears throat] Rodeo,
>> yes.
>> Shipon,
>> yes. Mayor Fjone.
>> Yes. Motion carried.
Second opportunity from the public to be
heard. That's good.
>> All right. Uh seeing no one, I'll accept
a motion to close today's meeting. The
third one of the month.
>> Our rodeo second. Caldero. All in favor?
I I
>> Thank you. We are good. Thanks everyone.
>> Thank you.